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RE: Savage SS vs. Revo - 12/5/2005 11:20:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just a couple of valid points to add..

I beleive the original debate was which was the best basher 'out-of-the-box'. I take it the guy means stock..or unmodified. Well...if your going with the revo...you better get your hand in your pocket again . The TRX 2.5 is unreliable. It will not hold a tune, despite the highest quality maintainance (read my previous post). And it IS prone to overheating. So..your into a new engine already.

I broke a HPI 25 savage engine for a friend yesterday which went without a hitch. Once I had it tuned, temps remained stable and performance was consitant throughout the rest of the day. We used around 3/4 gal of fuel. And the 25 was no slouch either.

Freez, your vids are good 'n' all...but landing on all four wheels after some big air and driving off hardly demonstrates the outright durability of your truck. It's not like you had any rough landings or subjected your truck to any mammoth shocks which you drove away from. I didnt see anything out of the ordinary that any other truck could take after a good landing. This is not 'proof' that the revo wil outbash the savage. It may be proof that the revo gets more air than the savage.









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RE: Savage SS vs. Revo - 12/5/2005 11:39:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		hi this revvo against savage is going to be a long argument . so you lot with revvo will say theres is better and savages will say the same thing i now first hand which is the one ill go for every time (SAVAGE) as my m8 has the revvo and keeps bracking down . now my m8 gas driven/bashed to the max and seen me drive my stock savage i drive like i mean to distroy it now hes going to get a savage 4.6 so if he can tell the difrence why cant you lot.

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RE: Savage SS vs. Revo - 12/5/2005 11:49:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		I run a Revo and guys at my local club run both Revo's and Savages (21, 25 and SS 4.6 or SS with picco's). My personal opinion is that for bashing the trucks are both very good and durable. I think the Revo is more controllable on the ground AND in the air. The one mishit is the engine of the revo, it has to work too hard in the dirt....
I boke one axle, a diff and an A-arm due to a very, very bad landing (full throttle). The things that the savages break is shocks, spurgears (melting problem) and strange enough: clutchbells. Also worn out cvd's
After you break something: working on a revo is easy, everything is easely reached. The savage is bit tough to work on due to the vertical plate chassis. Some parts you can't reach.....
The reason I chose the Revo:
Revo is a racer that can bash, Savage is a basher that can't race (both out of the box)


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RE: Savage SS vs. Revo - 12/5/2005 12:03:47 PM   
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Freez, your vids are good 'n' all...but landing on all four wheels after some big air and driving off hardly demonstrates the outright durability of your truck. It's not like you had any rough landings or subjected your truck to any mammoth shocks which you drove away from. I didnt see anything out of the ordinary that any other truck could take after a good landing. This is not 'proof' that the revo wil outbash the savage. It may be proof that the revo gets more air than the savage.

Isn't that the whole point???

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RE: Savage SS vs. Revo - 12/5/2005 2:00:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		just to add to this, not all 2.5s are bad, i have 1 in a revo that runs awsome! it makes crazy power and starts as good as my os motor. so not all revo motors suck, there are a bunch of people that swear by that motor. and as far as bashing goes the small block works well because it weighs less, less stress on the chassis.
so ya might get a keeper, or ya might get a turd, but even the turd runs strong, its just hard to keep cool.
revo +1!

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RE: Savage SS vs. Revo - 12/5/2005 2:26:55 PM   
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I hope I'm replying to your post appropriately.

First things first, I do not own a SAVAGE and a REVO - I own a REVO. Although, as I mentioned earlier in the thread stating I purchased a REVO and my cousin purchased the SAVAGE. Everytime he pulled out his SAVAGE my REVO was there as well. I may not own a SAVAGE. But! I've put many many many hours behind the remote driving his SAVAGE.

You state that we can go on and on debating which product is better - SAVAGE? REVO?

Well, I think I have the answer.

You see as much as it comes to personal preference and $. Disregarding that the REVO is more expensive than the SAVAGE (After all you get what you pay for). I strongly believe that the REVO is a better truck than the SAVAGE - I'll tell you why.

1) CRAFTSMANSHIP - Traxxas paid attention to every detail on the REVO. For example, the REVO is equipped with hex screws. Perhaps you think its not a big deal - but it is. Throughout this summer when my cousin and I ran our trucks - ever so often he would either lose a screw or losen one - never had that problem on my REVO - again both trucks are stock and wherever his SAVAGE went my REVO went. Whatever his SAVAGE did my REVO did.

2) AGILITY - The Traxxas REVO is so much more diversse than the SAVAGE on the basis of given the user ultimate control over the suspension setup. Right out of the box the user can adjust the suspension to any degree of racing and bashing. Depending on where you run the REVO and how you run the REVO you can adjust it to understeer or oversteer. The whole entire suspension design of the REVO should not be taken lightly.

3) SPEED - What I mean by speed is that the truck is very light. For example, a STOCK REVO will beat in a drag race a SAVAGE 25 everytime. The motors on both trucks are closely evenly matched. Although, the SAVAGE SS 4.6 has alot of power. Hard to compare a stock REVO with a .15 go up against a SAVAGE SS that is equipped with a .28. Now if you drop in a big block conversion into the REVO with a evenly matched motor like the SAVAGE SS's 4.6 (.28) - then not only will the REVO beat the SAVAGE SS - it'll destroy it. I'm hoping to drop a big block motor in my REVO this winter. My cousin purchased another SAVAGE - a SAVAGE SS 4.6 - and that'll be my next victim when our trucks come out in the Spring.

If by any chance I've replied to your post inappropriately - my apologies.


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RE: Savage SS vs. Revo - 12/5/2005 2:34:47 PM   
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RE: Savage SS vs. Revo - 12/5/2005 2:38:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Spurface

Just a couple of valid points to add..

I beleive the original debate was which was the best basher 'out-of-the-box'. I take it the guy means stock..or unmodified. Well...if your going with the revo...you better get your hand in your pocket again . The TRX 2.5 is unreliable. It will not hold a tune, despite the highest quality maintainance (read my previous post). And it IS prone to overheating. So..your into a new engine already.

I broke a HPI 25 savage engine for a friend yesterday which went without a hitch. Once I had it tuned, temps remained stable and performance was consitant throughout the rest of the day. We used around 3/4 gal of fuel. And the 25 was no slouch either.

Freez, your vids are good 'n' all...but landing on all four wheels after some big air and driving off hardly demonstrates the outright durability of your truck. It's not like you had any rough landings or subjected your truck to any mammoth shocks which you drove away from. I didnt see anything out of the ordinary that any other truck could take after a good landing. This is not 'proof' that the revo wil outbash the savage. It may be proof that the revo gets more air than the savage.


It's just like everthing else you buy. Sometimes you'll get a lemon.

My REVO holds a tune with ease and does not overheat. What fuel were you running in the REVO? I myself took the liberty of running what Traxxas recommended - I'm running Traxxas Top Fuel in my REVO.


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RE: Savage SS vs. Revo - 12/5/2005 3:34:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Friday, I ran tornado 16% fuel. As other people have stated...the engine is too small for the truck. Throughout the winter, my revo is run mostly in sticky mud/grass, which are typical conditions in the UK at this time of year. I firmly beleive that the little TRX has to work too hard to pull it through it, this often resulted in the engine overheating. A monster in the true sense of the word should be able to haul itself through mud (and I don't mean up to the axles in it) without to much pain at all.

Now the savage will drag it arse through the mud all day and come back for some more without overheating. This qualifies as a true monster truck.

And your arguments about installing a BB into a rev and killing a savage 4.6ss are invalid...like many other people who argue the same thing. If I installed a .40 size heli engine in a savage..guess what?...I would murder your BB revo. It's pointless debating about this. We are talking about stock, out-of-the-box, unmodified kits which are best suited for bashing.

You should also take a second look at my stats on power to weight ratios between the savage 4.6ss and the revo. Again...both stock..no contest.

Gsc71, we are talking about out-bashing (which truck takes the most punishment without breaking the most parts)...and not out-jumping

Nusti, you broke the parts in your driveline because they are made from plastic...ooh...nope...sorry, it's 'nylon' lol. And spur gear failure on the savage (user error IMO) are ten a penny. And the revo is also a pig to work on. I should know because I spent most weekends for the entire year stripping it down to replace all the worn and broken parts on it. The chassis is very crowded. Installation of the shocks is a nightmare. Installation of the diffs is a nightmare. Instillation of the engine mounts...is also a pig to do. Yes, I'll give you that about the hex screws being a nice feature on the revo, however it's no big deal to convert the savage to hex.

I have noticed that whenever I am 'wrenching' on my revo, it always feels strange, just somehow not right..and thats probably because I am tightening bolts/screws down into plastic...no..sorry..'nylon'. It feels like I am working on a kiddies toy. Anyway Im just an ex mechanic so what do I know lol.




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RE: Savage SS vs. Revo - 12/5/2005 4:23:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		hi to all you say the savage is a pig to work on well let me tell you some thing i broke a arm on my savage on sunday it took me 25 mins to strip and rebuild it and i wos not in a rush to do it . i can strip and rebuild most things on a savage in less than 30 mins . you say the sper gears go/melt well wot would you rather have brake GEAR BOX/ ENGINE/ or your spure gear me my sper gear any day well hpi have got a meal one out so it wont brake now will it . i had this same argument with some one els how had a tamiya tnx yes it was fast so i got one and ges wot the engines keep braking so i went back to a savage and never looked back. IF ANY YOU REVVO BOYS OUT THERE IN ENGLAND NEAR NOTTINGHAM FANCYS PUTING YOUR REVVO AGAINST MY SAVAGE TO SE WHICH IS BEST (OUT OF BOX) BASHER LETTS GET TO GETHER AND SE ( I WILL PUT £100 DOWN TO ANY ONE HOW THINKS HIS REVVO WILL LAST LONGER THAN MY SAVAGE).

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RE: Savage SS vs. Revo - 12/5/2005 5:46:49 PM   
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'Out of the box' talk it is.

I personal don't run in much mud with my REVO. Although, I have a idea that may or may not help you. Try adjusting the slipper clutch on your REVO. Perhaps it will help when trekking through the mud your running it on.


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RE: Savage SS vs. Revo - 12/5/2005 6:10:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yup, tried that mate, didn't make too much difference. The best solution I found was to change the TRX for an OS18 which meant spending £££$$$.

The revo weighs 9.4lbs and the TRX develops 1.3hp

The savage weighs 11.21lbs and the 25 develops 2.5hp. The 4.6 develops 2.9hp

There's only a coupe of pounds difference in weight between the two trucks and yet the motor used to power the savage kicks out nearly twice as much power. This is why the savage engines are so reliable and stable. The HPI 25/4.6 engines churn out more torque per lb. Whereas the TRX is all rpm and little torque. I'm stating the obvious here in that the TRX is having to work to its outer limits to haul the revo around. Particularly in gloopy British mud lol!

I think the TRX is better suited to the Jato or rusty, it's perfect for stadium applications.


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RE: Savage SS vs. Revo - 12/5/2005 6:39:25 PM