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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 12/8/2005 8:24:40 PM   
Jim_McIntyre



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The reality is that chad has a point.


Hey! Read the thread, it was my idea!

Actually, I can't take credit for it, the idea came up in a phone conversation I had this week.


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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 12/8/2005 8:30:18 PM   
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1. the membership paid for the yearly acc fee so that maac is part of the fai.
2. the membership pays for the office salaries in maac who resources were used for this event.
3. the insurance umbrella that the event was run under was paid for maac.
4. the seed money ( if any) was provided by the maac membership.
5. if the event had gone the way of scale 2002 and incurred losses the membership would have paid for that.
If you are saying only the FAI glider teams are only sharing in those profits, then I think is it not fair to the membership of maac and perhaps that is where MAAC Nats 2005 got the idea to send the 2005 Nats profits to the CAC.


1.) which it would have regardless of teh evcent veing hosted in Canada
2.) true, but fostering events and supporting initiatives like this mandate of the association
3.) Just like any other event held by a club and sanctioned through MAAC
4.) entry revenue was collected before a dime of association funds were touched
5.) True, a chance the board decided to take after looking at the bid and the proposed budget. Remember that a lot fewer things will stop a worlds champs from running ... bad weather doesn't cancel the event.

Having the office handle the cash flow was done out of a desire to keep the asociation fully informed of the financial position of the event ...
My bid claearly stated the dispursal of any surplus, and the event should bring a direct benifit to the people that put the work in to hosting it - shouldn't it?
In the same light - I don't see a problem with the hosting clubs getting a cut of surplus ... if that was the agreement in the beginning and if the board is agreeable to it.




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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 12/8/2005 8:44:18 PM   
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Chad. I don't care what you do, but to go after our paid staff on a public forum where they cannot/willnot participate is wrong. You were wrong and the attitude you dislplay, be it intentional or not, it what it is.




Please show in this thread where I "went after" the paid staff, your entire post is related to the thread how?....LOL

I reiterate as you obviously did not comprehend....

"Those who disagree with intelligent arguments are worth talking to....those who simply attack the messenger because of their ideas are not."

Please come back with an intelligent rebuttal to post #46 if you can.


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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 12/8/2005 10:27:26 PM   
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How very socialistic of you Ken, in other words, the sweat equuity of those who dare to get off their duffs should be spread equally to those who criticise from their duffs.



Jim, I'm having a problem with your ongoing refusal to accept criticism from those who, in your personal view, "criticise from their duffs". It is your very favorite & perpetual "same old crap". Who are you to say anyone doesn't contribute? Why should anyone accept your personal standards of contributory effort? Membership fees and criticism are in themselves contributions. You spread your own criticism much too broadly. If you have a problem with Ken -- be specific & quit painting the same old crap with a broad brush. It makes it difficult to get past the irritation that you generate. Find another whine & maybe we can share it.

Now I feel better.



Getting back to the office staff -- how can the office staff, at their current workload, accept additional work? Are they fully employed, or are they not? If so, then additional work means additional staff & I don't think that we want that for periodic activities. If they are not fully employed, why not?

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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 12/8/2005 11:16:54 PM   
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How very socialistic of you Ken, in other words, the sweat equuity of those who dare to get off their duffs should be spread equally to those who criticise from their duffs.



Jim, I'm having a problem with your ongoing refusal to accept criticism from those who, in your personal view, "criticise from their duffs". It is your very favorite & perpetual "same old crap". Who are you to say anyone doesn't contribute? Why should anyone accept your personal standards of contributory effort? Membership fees and criticism are in themselves contributions. You spread your own criticism much too broadly. If you have a problem with Ken -- be specific & quit painting the same old crap with a broad brush. It makes it difficult to get past the irritation that you generate. Find another whine & maybe we can share it.

Now I feel better.



Getting back to the office staff -- how can the office staff, at their current workload, accept additional work? Are they fully employed, or are they not? If so, then additional work means additional staff & I don't think that we want that for periodic activities. If they are not fully employed, why not?


From Keith's F3J event they were obviously able to take on some additional responsibility...what I am implying for the Nats should not need occupy huge resources....if location is known a year in advance I cannot see the office staff needing more than a few hours a month to accomplish the administration tasks. Most of it would simply be communications and liason with those "on the ground" so to speak to keep them on track for a good event.

But its a wild out of the box idea so please flame at will....


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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 12/9/2005 12:08:20 AM   
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From Keith's F3J event they were obviously able to take on some additional responsibility...what I am implying for the Nats should not need occupy huge resources....if location is known a year in advance I cannot see the office staff needing more than a few hours a month to accomplish the administration tasks. Most of it would simply be communications and liason with those "on the ground" so to speak to keep them on track for a good event.

But its a wild out of the box idea so please flame at will....


Surely then Chad, with your amount of enthuisiasm for MAAC and competition, you'd be more than happy to donate a "few" hours a month to organise this?

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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 12/9/2005 12:35:55 AM   
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From Keith's F3J event they were obviously able to take on some additional responsibility...what I am implying for the Nats should not need occupy huge resources....if location is known a year in advance I cannot see the office staff needing more than a few hours a month to accomplish the administration tasks. Most of it would simply be communications and liason with those "on the ground" so to speak to keep them on track for a good event.

But its a wild out of the box idea so please flame at will....


Surely then Chad, with your amount of enthuisiasm for MAAC and competition, you'd be more than happy to donate a "few" hours a month to organise this?


I have no problem in running the pattern portion of a Nats event, however there is not one nearby that I can assist in.

The idea is to get a central consistent group familiar with the requirements for a Nats....the major problem with the Nats in this country is lack of continuity and I think if you dig deep enough you will quickly realize that is why so many have failed over the years.

Who is more core to MAAC and better to keep the records of how to proceed when running a Nats than the office? If a new group must organize a Nats every year they need to learn everything....if the office already over the years has made contacts for awards its one less thing for someone wanting to organize a Nats needs to be concerned with....if they office processes entry fees and handles the money...then its another thing off the organizers plate...suddenly the organizer can focus on site specific things and the event should run a lot smoother and be a lot easier to manage.

I truly dont understand the resistance to such an idea......which at this time its just that simply an idea nothing more........ .....one which is very likely never going to happen so there is no point in getting bent about it....I wont attend and azm to propose it so dont worry.


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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 12/9/2005 12:43:31 AM   
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From Keith's F3J event they were obviously able to take on some additional responsibility...what I am implying for the Nats should not need occupy huge resources....if location is known a year in advance I cannot see the office staff needing more than a few hours a month to accomplish the administration tasks. Most of it would simply be communications and liason with those "on the ground" so to speak to keep them on track for a good event.

But its a wild out of the box idea so please flame at will....


Surely then Chad, with your amount of enthuisiasm for MAAC and competition, you'd be more than happy to donate a "few" hours a month to organise this?


I have no problem in running the pattern portion of a Nats event, however there is not one nearby that I can assist in.

The idea is to get a central consistent group familiar with the requirements for a Nats....the major problem with the Nats in this country is lack of continuity and I think if you dig deep enough you will quickly realize that is why so many have failed over the years.

Who is more core to MAAC and better to keep the records of how to proceed when running a Nats than the office? If a new group must organize a Nats every year they need to learn everything....if the office already over the years has made contacts for awards its one less thing for someone wanting to organize a Nats needs to be concerned with....if they office processes entry fees and handles the money...then its another thing off the organizers plate...suddenly the organizer can focus on site specific things and the event should run a lot smoother and be a lot easier to manage.

I truly dont understand the resistance to such an idea......which at this time its just that simply an idea nothing more........ .....one which is very likely never going to happen so there is no point in getting bent about it....I wont attend and azm to propose it so dont worry.


I agree with you in part Chad. Having the NATS at the same spot, organized by the same people definetely would be a lot easier, and go smoother year after year. The only problem I have, is that you're "volunteering" other people to do it. I'm sure you/we don't really know what the workload of the office staff is, and it's not fair to offer a "few" hours of their time.

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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 12/9/2005 1:26:22 AM   
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I agree with you in part Chad. Having the NATS at the same spot, organized by the same people definetely would be a lot easier, and go smoother year after year. The only problem I have, is that you're "volunteering" other people to do it. I'm sure you/we don't really know what the workload of the office staff is, and it's not fair to offer a "few" hours of their time.


Ok last time....I am in no position to offer anything other than an idea, which is all this is....if someone wants to propose such an idea to the BOD so be it (it wont be me) at that time it will be up to them to decide if the office can handle a higher workload.

I have voluteered no one to do anything, I have simply proposed one out of an infinite number of possible alternate means to running a Nats than what has been done in the past.

Beyond all this....I dont see a combined Nats happeneing in this country for a long time so its all really a moot point anyways.

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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 12/9/2005 3:12:55 AM   
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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 12/9/2005 3:19:57 AM   
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I'm glad to see that no settling occurred during shipment, there is no need to tear across the dotted line and it is not known to be carcinogenic in the state of California.

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I thought every product made caused cancer if you lived in California? Damn....I may rethink moving there if thats not the case LOL


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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 12/9/2005 12:56:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		It seems to me that the MAAC office often has had reponsibilities concerning the administration of the Nats - handling registration for example. And when Wayne Bramsfield found he couldn't run a Nats as promised, the then MAAC President, Rick Reid, and Linda made a brave attempt to carry on. But that came to naught, too, for a number of reasons. The event was to be held at Camp Borden, and there is an urban legend that the Station Commander baulked at a request to put a hole for the control line speed pylon in his parade ground! No, the office staff aren't modellers, so there are limits on what we can fairly expect of them. The MAAC office workload varies seasonally so there are times when the staff can take on new work, though they would require notice on account of such things as staff holidays.

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