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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 1/31/2006 9:47:10 PM   
Sharpy01



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Status: offline 		Hey Jabba?

How come you aren't posting this on RCCanada?

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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 1/31/2006 10:33:45 PM   
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Hope to be a little open by the end of the week.




You are referring to communication & accountability, I presume.

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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 1/31/2006 10:42:55 PM   
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Hope to be a little open by the end of the week.




You are referring to communication & accountability, I presume.


As a privately funded event I dont see why they would need to be publically accountable to anyone? Their losses...their gains, whatever the case may be.


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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 1/31/2006 10:51:09 PM   
mustang one


 

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Status: offline 		What type of events will be taking place. I looked up the Chatham Airport, what a nice site to be flying from. You guys are very lucky.
what about volunteers, if i get down I might want to help out, is that possible.

I didn't realize this was a private venture, kootoes to those doing this

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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 1/31/2006 10:55:48 PM   
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Hey Jabba?

How come you aren't posting this on RCCanada?


Marc, please. We do not need another 38 pages of squabbling!

Ed S

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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 2/1/2006 12:14:46 AM   
Jabba


 

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What type of events will be taking place. I looked up the Chatham Airport, what a nice site to be flying from. You guys are very lucky.
what about volunteers, if i get down I might want to help out, is that possible.

I didn't realize this was a private venture, kootoes to those doing this



Thanks for asking.

IF you read the ad/sign I uploaded CAC is willing to host ANY sig/group/event that gets enough pilots to show up.

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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 2/1/2006 4:45:32 AM   
Applehoney


 

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Status: offline 		Starteofmind - you are indeed confused.

I never said anything about an individuals home insurance.

"any claim that might arise would be directed at the insurance provider of the individual, regardless of whether he was flying in the other country."

In other words, the insurance provider of the individual ..... in the case of a Canadian - MAAC; an American - AMA


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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 2/1/2006 12:12:15 PM   
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Applehoney has it about right. MAAC insurance is far superior to AMA insurance. When I fly in the US I am covered by MAAC insurance. An American flying in Canada is covered by AMA insurance. What is meant by reciprocal insurance is that both organizations recognise each others members as being covered when flying in Canada or the US. MAAC coverage is worldwide. I do not know about AMA coverage.

As I understand it AMA insurance is secondary. That is the flyer would use the home owners coverage first and when that is all used up the AMA insurance is used. MAAC insurance is primary. We go straight to that insurance first. It is not likely that an AMA member involved in an accident in Canada would be able to use MAAC insurance.

However the Internet Forum is not to be regarded as the ultimate authority. I would suggest you contact both the AMA and the MAAC.

Ed S


Ed's correct, in that MAAC insur. is "1st payer", but I do not believe it is truely a recprocal agreement. The way it was explained to me is that AMA members would be actually covered by MAACs insurer n the event of a claim. That does not work in reverse........MAAC covers its members in the US when flying.

The problem with the property owner in the case of this event, is whether or not the airport where the event is happening is listed/recognized as a flying site by a sanctioned MAAC club. Unless things have changed, the club they invented for the event has not received club status from MAAC. However, if an established club in the area that has sponsored the event has the airport listed with MAAC as one of their flying sites, then the owner should be covered.


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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 2/1/2006 2:20:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		It would appear that all is okay with this club going ahead with their event. It would be nice if the organizers put up more information.

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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 2/1/2006 3:03:06 PM   
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The problem with the property owner in the case of this event, is whether or not the airport where the event is happening is listed/recognized as a flying site by a sanctioned MAAC club. Unless things have changed, the club they invented for the event has not received club status from MAAC. However, if an established club in the area that has sponsored the event has the airport listed with MAAC as one of their flying sites, then the owner should be covered.




Should not matter if they are listed/registered or whatever.....provided they have the permission of the landowner.

As a MAAC member its my understanding that you can fly in any location with permission of the landowner as long as you follow your safety rules and local bylaws etc. Now if anyone reads the ad it would appear that further insurance has been aquired above and beyond MAAC. If this is not the case then MAAC should really be clarifying this information on their site for all.

I dont think anyone on any of these threads has pointed out the benefit of sanctioning other than for record keeping/MAAC Mag ad.....certainly I cannot remember anyone indicating that its required for insurance...otherwise all flying events in this country would require sanction (which we all know doesnt happen).


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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 2/1/2006 3:41:24 PM   
bbbair


 

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The problem with the property owner in the case of this event, is whether or not the airport where the event is happening is listed/recognized as a flying site by a sanctioned MAAC club. Unless things have changed, the club they invented for the event has not received club status from MAAC. However, if an established club in the area that has sponsored the event has the airport listed with MAAC as one of their flying sites, then the owner should be covered.


Should not matter if they are listed/registered or whatever.....provided they have the permission of the landowner.

As a MAAC member its my understanding that you can fly in any location with permission of the landowner as long as you follow your safety rules and local bylaws etc. Now if anyone reads the ad it would appear that further insurance has been aquired above and beyond MAAC. If this is not the case then MAAC should really be clarifying this information on their site for all.

I dont think anyone on any of these threads has pointed out the benefit of sanctioning other than for record keeping/MAAC Mag ad.....certainly I cannot remember anyone indicating that its required for insurance...otherwise all flying events in this country would require sanction (which we all know doesnt happen).


Oh My, Chad but you have left yourself open here ... most uncharacteristic of you...

#1. "Should not matter if they are listed/registered or whatever.....provided they have the permission of the landowner." If that is the case then why do we fill in those evil MAAC forms each year giving locations of our club fields and ensuring that they meet the current safety codes?

#2. I dont think anyone on any of these threads has pointed out the benefit of sanctioning other than for record keeping/... Be careful with this one it is that same arguement that has been used to try to get us to drop FAI affiliation.

#3 To the best of my knowledge the CAC HAS NOT been granted any official club status within the MAAC organization - so that means they are just a bunch of guys having a Fun Fly somewhere in Ontario. Whether they have insurance from MAAC is in serious doubt ... which would explain why they tell you that they have arranged for separate coverage - in Lieu of MAAC...?

So if they are not holding a MAAC sanctioned event, then they do not have to meet MAAC safety codes or receive approval... so what standards are they working too, and who would recognize any awards that they grant?

Would MAAC cover a person if they had an incident at an UNSANCTIONED event?

#4. Has anyone heard what happened to the ~$2,100.00 that was declared as surplus from the 05 Nat's?

Hmmm lots of questions - few answers.

FYI - My Club hosts an annual Fun Fly, we are accountable to no one but our members for fianancing, but we MUST receive MAAC sanctioning for the event in order for MAAC insurance to be in effect.

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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 2/1/2006 4:13:17 PM   
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If that is the case then why do we fill in those evil MAAC forms each year giving locations of our club fields and ensuring that they meet the current safety codes?


That is a very good question....the only reasons given that I have seen is for record keeping/mag ads.....nowhere is it indicated that I have read that an event NEEDS sanctioning for insurance....if this is the case Sunday afternoon get togethers at the field would need sanctioning. Read the insurance summary....all it states is that coverage is ALSO provided for sanctioned events blah blah blah...

http://www.maac.ca/docs/forms/2006/2005_english_Insurance_Summary.pdf

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Be careful with this one it is that same arguement that has been used to try to get us to drop FAI affiliation.


Nice try Bruce....however I am not proposing to stop sanctioning of events to save a couple bucks per member per year (which is the real argument of those wishing to remove FAI)....I just want clarification on insurance coverage...

I sanction the events that I hold, as do others in our club. Your analogy is flawed.

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To the best of my knowledge the CAC HAS NOT been granted any official club status within the MAAC organization - so that means they are just a bunch of guys having a Fun Fly somewhere in Ontario. Whether they have insurance from MAAC is in serious doubt ... which would explain why they tell you that they have arranged for separate coverage - in Lieu of MAAC...?


By that analogy they would have insurance....as it has been indicated many times you can virtually anywhere with permission of the landowner. My speculation for the extra insurance is to simply CYA in the event of a problem....

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Would MAAC cover a person if they had an incident at an UNSANCTIONED event?


I dont beleive the fellow hit in the head with a trainer that long ago was at a sanctioned event.....so yes they would. Much the same as they would cover you flying out of your back 40.

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Has anyone heard what happened to the ~$2,100.00 that was declared as surplus from the 05 Nat's?


Posted in another thread someplace...that the money is being held in trust and will be returned upon official request from MAAC....apparently it has not been used and will not be used to fund the CAC's current venture.

Not my words, just what I read. I dont know a single person involved in the CAC....

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but we MUST receive MAAC sanctioning for the event in order for MAAC insurance to be in effect.


Say's who? Certainly not MAAC from what I have read.


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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 2/1/2006 5:07:42 PM   
Sharpy01



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My understanding is that a club must list specific sites that they fly at in order for the property owner to be specifically covered by the policy. That is why the property owners receive ........and in many cases.........demand that their name is attached to the policy through this registration process. ie: Our club hosts a float fly each year and each year, we must ensure the city is named as owner and they receive a document to that effect or the event is a "no-go".

Yes, MAAC members can fly anywhere where they have permission and as long as they are following the rules, they are covered....

..............BUT........that does not automatically cover the property owner, which means the property owner could be left hanging if something bad happened.

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RE: CANADIAN AEROMODELLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - 2/1/2006 6:17:50 PM