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RE: Carden Cuda Build - 12/17/2005 4:49:36 PM   
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Nice job Mr. Miracle ...

Where is Rob at ?? I was looking forward to his build also??

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RE: Carden Cuda Build - 12/18/2005 12:42:07 AM   
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Sorry, Life gets in the way, and as I said I was only going to post things I felt were different about the Cuda. If their is anything else anyone wants so see or know just ask.

Today I mounted the cowl. Brian Hueffmeier taught me how he mounts his cowl on his Extra 330 and I did that mod to my 330 and it has worked great, so I decided to try the same thing here.

First move the top cowl ring all the way back so it is touching F1. Secure it to the fuse with two screws from the fuse side and blind nuts (or as some say t-nuts) in the ring itself.

Also move both lower cowl J's back to F1 and secure them by a screw threw the black L's that carden provided with the blind nut in the side of the engine box. Drill a small hole through the side of the cowl to access the screws.

Place the cowl in position and tack glue (with ZAP) the cowl in place.

Then take off the cowl by removing the screws and put a GOOP filit between the cowl ring pieces and the cowl.

Note: I ran into a bit of a problem the first time I did it as I am used to working on larger planes - a 1" screw is too long to be unscrewed from the side of the cowl! I had to rip off the J's and start again. PITA! So use 1/2" screws!

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RE: Carden Cuda Build - 12/19/2005 11:47:42 PM   
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Rob,

Thanks for adding the Cowl work and Brian's tips. I'm watching both threads with anticipation, so anything you may think might help a first timer would greatly be appreciated.

regards, Ward

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RE: Carden Cuda Build - 12/20/2005 1:08:43 AM   
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If this is your first Carden, and you want to follow a more in depth build let me recommend http://www.aeroprotect.com/Workbench/CUDA/Index.html

Great site (also has his build of a 330S and a Yak)

Let me say do not be scared of a Carden build. It is not hard, but it does take some work. We all do have tips that we can learn from each other and that is what makes these forums so cool.
If this is your first foam wing also don't be scared. I use a vacuum bagging system, but you don't have to. Foam wings are actually easier to build that built up. (and if done right not heavier) In Fact my Dad's 100CC Comp ARF wing is heavier than his 100CC Carden wing. (and the Carden is bigger too)

I probably won't do much until more until 2006! But all that I have left is final sanding, covering and painting.
This winter I have three projects. The Cuda, Helping someone build an inferior quality Kit and refinishing a 5 year old Edge.

BTW I am thinking of changing my screen name to neverARFed since I have never owned an ARF What do you guys think?
Rob

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RE: Carden Cuda Build - 12/20/2005 2:47:06 AM   
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Don't change Rob the handle And yes, this will be my first build of a Carden and I believe I'm going to purchase the $100 pump and accessories, sounds like the way to go.

Thanks for the thread link, that will be a three hour read, but well worth it. Would really like to see how you go about covering yours and how you go about painting (and what parts you do paint) will you glass the turtle deck and paint? or cover to match the cowl?

regards, zzw26n

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RE: Carden Cuda Build - 12/20/2005 11:53:01 AM   
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Ward have you started your Carden kit yet? If so where are you? I am just getting started this week. I have looked at the aeroprotect site it is a good one.

Alan

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RE: Carden Cuda Build - 12/20/2005 12:52:36 PM   
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Alan,

No I have not started yet ; 30% Carden Extra (3 year old kit) I have a couple other projects to finish. I live in Michigan, north of Detroit an hour or so.
I have a brother who lives near you, Dr. Greg Miller / Vice President for the Dairy Association, not sure if you know him.
The other thing I need to do is come up with a good build table, Flat, Level, Heavy Duty, etc.
Door with Glass? 6" Perfect Plank would be my choice, just go to find out how to buy it?

But Rob and jmiracle are both doing a great job with their threads, I love seeing these things come together

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RE: Carden Cuda Build - 12/20/2005 7:07:05 PM   
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FYI.. John @ Aeroprotect is a excellent source for hardware and accesories His build threads are outstanding...


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RE: Carden Cuda Build - 12/23/2005 2:01:11 AM   
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Finally, the covering is DONE!

....and just in time too....I've got a 35% Aerotech Yak showing up tomorrow.

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RE: Carden Cuda Build - 12/23/2005 2:55:18 AM   
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jmiracle,

It looks great! I am starting the wing skins in the morning.

Alan

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RE: Carden Cuda Build - 12/25/2005 9:47:20 PM   
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I think lightening the control surfaces is a valuable change regardless of what seems like minimal weight savings. I'm also considering honeycombing the wingtips on mine (last 12" on either side) to try and get some weight out of the tips.. less inertia.. Not sure on that one yet.

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RE: Carden Cuda Build - 12/26/2005 3:26:55 AM   
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Hey guys,

I can tell you from experience that yeah you may only take a half an ounce off here and a half an ounce off there, but it all really adds up. Thing of it is, you have to look and find every location where you can take the weight out. When you look at the larger CARDEN aircraft, yeah they build a little heavy, but they fly GREAT..... Take 2 pounds out of it and it flies tons better.

I have taken 1 1/3 pounds out of .60 size airplane. I am going to be working on a NEW 40% CARDEN CAP 232 after I finish a 35% EDGE for someone else. My goal with the new CAP is 34 to 35 pounds (NO MORE) with smoke.

One very important part of the whole process is EQUIPMENT SELECTION. With the newer stronger servos, you can use less of them which equals weight reduction. KEEP IT SIMPLE....... do you really have to run all them fancy gizmos??!! The 40% CAP that I fly now doesn't have a power box, match box or anything that it doesn't REALLY need. These planes have been flying well without them since long before all of this stuff came out. If you like using HITEC servos, it's even better as you can PROGRAM them which is a great way to reduce your need for match boxes or similar items. Again, my CAP has 2 RX, 10 servos, 2 RX batteries with REGs, 1 Ignition battery with REG and switches....nothing else for the radio system. You may say that the regulators are unnecessary if you just use a 6v NiMH pack, but the truth is that the Lithium packs with regulators weigh equal or less and have a higher capacity.

Oh yeah the BIG NAME PILOTs use them, but that is mostly advertising. Now I am not saying that these devices don't have their place in the hobby, but is it necessary to do the job.... Hitec has the right idea with the programmable servos. JR and FUTABA haven't done it because they have some neat little devices to sell you.

Obviously, using light weight hardware pays off. The only problem here is that many of the parts that are available to us do not have a weight listed on the package. If I know I am going to a hobby store to get some things, I will take a scale with me to weigh and compare parts..... Take a pencil and paper and write down what you find for future reference.

Using good light weight building techniques and good equipment selection will result in the ultimate flying plane. It seems to take a ton more work, but I am telling you it is well worth it if you build for yourself.

Good luck all.

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RE: Carden Cuda Build - 12/27/2005 9:36:03 PM   
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My wonderful family gave me a Carden Cuda for Christmas !!!
It actually arrived 2 weeks ago so I started construction a little early.
I have the fuse just about finished and I began sheeting the foam today.
Some of the posts in this thread are about weight, this is what I found. I cut all the holes in the sides of the motor box per the plans. I filled the bottom holes with sheet balsa because I will be running a canister. I also cut the hole in the back of the motor box. Total weight savings was 3.5 oz.
I thought this was a lot of work for 3.5 oz but then again, that is almost a 1/4 pound. So I would say yes it is worth the time and effort.
I plan on cutting 2 holes in the landing gear plate and one in the center of F1 per the plans.
So far everything is going well.

Steve

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