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s, Windows XP Pro - AFPD crashes it! - 12/6/2005 4:46:02 AM

bdunsire

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Just bought AFPD - installed it - and when I start it, the intro screen hangs - NOTHING can get rid of that screen - PERIOD!!

But, starting AFPD a second time gets the program to work, although it is slow (of course) - 3.2 GHZ system - 2GB RAM - 500GB disk - etc..

But I must hard reboot windows XP Pro to get rid of the original intro screen - FWIW my Windows Pro systems usually runs for 60 days or more between boots!

SO - I went to the web site, and installed the patch - that was a MAJOR mistake!

Instantly crashes Windows when I try to start AFPD - I have never run into software that would kill windows XP Pro before.. amazing!

HELP !

Is the software this buggy for everyone? I did a lot of research before buying this, and never heard of problems like this. I am stunned.

I have searched their site, and here, for any help - since I have seen nothing, I'm sort of guessing my post and plea for help will disappear.. Before it 'goes away' - can anyone offer any suggestion? Or should I just get a software package that works with windows (amazing that this would have to be asked, in this day and age)

(FWIW- I have over 30 years in the software field, before I retired it was my career - I have 5 windows systems here at home, and one Linux, I want to run this software on Windows)

Help..

Bob

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RE: s, Windows XP Pro - AFPD crashes it! - 12/6/2005 6:34:50 AM

NdFrSpeed

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I use XP Pro as well,,works like a charm,,what the game is fussy about is Video board,,it takes lots of Video to run it properly..our computers are set up about the same too,,ive had AFP Deluxe for about a year now,,never did give me any trouble,,what Video card do you have,allmost sounds like some kind of conflict with software,oh you need at least Direct9X ,,makes it run better.

NdFrSpeed

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RE: s, Windows XP Pro - AFPD crashes it! - 12/6/2005 12:37:03 PM

looseskr3wz

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Make sure you have the latest drivers (and directx version) for your video card.

In case you don't already know that.

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RE: s, Windows XP Pro - AFPD crashes it! - 12/6/2005 2:07:12 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: bdunsire

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Instantly crashes Windows when I try to start AFPD - I have never run into software that would kill windows XP Pro before.. amazing!

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You don't need to try hard to make windoze crash, just use it!

My best guess is that your display subsystem is at fault. Try the reference drivers, if possible. Hope you get it fixed, this simulator is the best!

Mac OS X proves that it's easier to make UNIX pretty than it is to make Windows stable.

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RE: s, Windows XP Pro - AFPD crashes it! - 12/6/2005 5:54:58 PM

bdunsire

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Thanks for the suggestions..

I did allow the install to add DirectX 9 - although I am certain I had it before. This system is just over a year old.

Video driver is up to date - NVideo Geforce 5200 - Drivers are all current - NEVER any problem with video or drivers. I have two 19 inch monitors attached - but again, never any problems with that / this / them.

I am pretty sure it is not video - just because once I have the Intro screen (hung), I can then start it again and use it - the annoying thing (well - the whole problem is darn annoying) is that the Intro screen is always on top - to I have to move it down so only the top 1/4 inch is visible.

As far as windows reliability - indeed, XP home, and every other flavour of Windows - sucked... I've been a PC user since 1982 (yep) - and Windows since it came out. But XP Pro - once I had all my software sorted (and I have A LOT) - has been incredibly stable - basically NEVER fails - but this software clearly has major problems. All my other systems here at home use other versions of Windows, and all have 'problems' - typical of Micr$oft software..

Still looking for Help...

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RE: s, Windows XP Pro - AFPD crashes it! - 12/6/2005 7:04:20 PM

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Hi guys:

Am jumping in here just to follow the thread. Have a similar problem wth windows xp and Mcafee virus scan. Got rid of almost all of it when changin from AOL to SBC, but the prompt still comes up on occasion. Has got to be in the start up portion of Windows, cant find it anywhere else in the system after months of trying. Mcafee will not help because" You are not a current customer" Beieve me, I will never, ever be a future customer. Thanks

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RE: s, Windows XP Pro - AFPD crashes it! - 12/7/2005 12:19:49 AM

bdunsire

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I have, just because it bugs me, been trying to resolve this a bit more.

The installation of AFPD installed DirectX9b - I had 9c, and since the problem exists, I went back to the more current DirectX - no difference.

NVidea has a newer driver (out Nov 22) - so I installed that - no difference.

I installed AFPD on a couple year old laptop - just 2GHZ - 1GB memory - and Win XP hom - no problems, and it actually runs quite a bit faster than on the 3.2GHZ system. (all Pentium processors). The hung intro screen is unkillable (reboot won't work via software because of it) - and clearly impacts in a negative way the performance of the software.

I do not want to use it on my laptop(s) - but sheesh!

Frustrating!

And no help from them that I can find.. I realize I have a pretty advanced setup on the XP Pro system - networks, etc. but I can't imagine that I alone have the XP pro problems - no word of it anywhere? WTH??

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RE: s, Windows XP Pro - AFPD crashes it! - 12/7/2005 2:02:21 AM

NdFrSpeed

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WEll ill tell you your video card is marginal,,i used that at first then switched to a 9600,,now it flys,,and i mean fly,,FPS 150 to over 200

NdFrSpeed

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RE: s, Windows XP Pro - AFPD crashes it! - 12/7/2005 3:07:46 AM

bdunsire

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I can accept that as part of the problem with the slow performance but .. the real issue is the hanging Intro screen, or the instant crashes of Win XP Pro. And that the 'official' fix results in software that INSTANTLY crashes Win XP pro - that should never happen.

Once running, although slower than my laptop the frame rate is still 50-60 - which is acceptable. The Laptop is 20% higher! And I have to believe that a lot of this is from the hung intro screen.

But XP Pro and this software, amazingly, do not seem compatible - how on earth a software company could have a product like this, without fixing it? To me this is just stunning!

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RE: s, Windows XP Pro - AFPD crashes it! - 12/7/2005 5:35:16 AM

NdFrSpeed

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I to am useing XP PRO,,with no problems once so ever,,along with many others,,so i doubt very much if XP PRO is causeing the problem,,Dont know what to tell you,,but i can tell you i doubt very much if XP PRO is causeing the problem

NdFrSpeed

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RE: s, Windows XP Pro - AFPD crashes it! - 12/7/2005 4:10:10 PM

tdmodels

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I agree with NdFrSpeed. I have been running AFPD on my XP pro machine (3.2GHz P4, 1GB ram, X700 graphics card) with no problems at all.

I did initially have problems when running the simulator, where after a minute of running it, it would reboot Windows for me

. However, this ended up being a graphics card driver issue. Once updated all was fine and has been ever since.

The FX 5200 is not a very good card. I would suggest pointing the blame here first

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RE: s, Windows XP Pro - AFPD crashes it! - 12/7/2005 5:39:40 PM

bdunsire

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Thanks guys - it does make me feel 'a bit' better that you run it fine on XP Pro.

I guess I really have no idea why you think the graphics card would cause the Intro screen to hang? Seems to me if that was the case, the resource would be tied up, and the second start would not function - AND - I can't imagine how the graphics card could hang something in such a way that full windows function remains, and the hung applet can't be stopped / killed / terminated. (But I very freely acknowledge my software expertise is NOT in Windows XP - so I guess this is all possible, but seems VERY strange to me).

Yes, I know the graphics card is not optimal for this software - but I didn't get it for games, and it does / would work. As mentioned, I have other (many) systems, where the software will work, but I want to use this XP Pro system.

I think I know what the problem is - not graphics - but still, that a well configured, and stable XP Pro system, would be killed by any app is just silly - and that they don't offer any way to get help, diagnose or resolve problems - a strange way to do business..

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RE: s, Windows XP Pro - AFPD crashes it! - 12/8/2005 4:02:36 AM

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bdunsire,
I run XP Pro and have been using AFPD with absolutely zero stability issues for the last 4 months. I run a 3GHz system and my graphics card is an Nvidia chipped Asus V9999 Ultra which I believe uses the Geforce V6800 GPU f memory serves. This system is filled with all sorts of other junk and runs Norton Antivirus. I run at 1280 x 1024 with antialiasing set up in the drivers on a 19 inch TFT at frame rates in the 200+ range. The only thing that slows the system down is if you are hovering 3D in front of you and the screen is filled with smoke. Can get as low as 30fps doing this. Normally I leave smoke off unless I am flying (attempting!!??) pattern aerobatics.

You say that you cannot contact IPACS but have you tried their forum? If you haven't already done so, try posting ALL the following details over there. http://www.ipacs.de/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum;f=4

Note that the TM.LOG file is the most important for the to offer a diagnosis.

* Windows Version (98,ME,2000 or XP)
* Processor type and speed
* Graphic card manufacturer and type
* Sound card manufacturer and exact model type
* Amount of RAM
* AeroFly Professional version number (you can find it on the CD or on the main menu screen)
* Manufacturer and model type of your transmitter
* Any special software installed besides AeroFly Professional (e.g. Virus scanner and other Utilities)
* Please also provide us with the contents of the TM.LOG file in case of severe problems. The TM.LOG file can be found in the AeroFly directory, which is by default located at
C:\Program Files\IPACS\AeroFly Professional Deluxe\

If you read through their forum you will find that by far the most problems are caused by video cards or drivers. I would tend to agree with a comment above that a FX 5200 is probably the reason for your problems.

In addition, many odd and strange issues seem to stem from inadequate graphics. There are even tales of the controller not being recognized due to the graphics card being at issue.

Hope you get it solved, it is an excellent piece of software and has saved me a bundle in potential crash damage.

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RE: s, Windows XP Pro - AFPD crashes it! - 12/8/2005 5:57:34 AM

bdunsire

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Thanks Archiebald - I have posted all the details on that site. Will let you know if I get any response there..

I'd be happy to update my video card (never needed