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Why isn't the SuperTigre 2300 a popular engine?? - 12/9/2005 3:18:39 PM   
AJF--2


 

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Status: offline 		I have been in RC for quite a while, and in Giant Scale (with gas engines) for the last few years. I have owned a number of SuperTigre glow engines (in the 40-90 range) and have picked up this 2300 recently. It seems that Moki, OS, and Webra get the most discussion. Also planes in the classifieds with this engine are priced lower.

I know it is a ringed engine and will probably not produce stunning power. But what is the problem that they are not as popular? Thanks in advance-- all comments welcome! (not going to get mad if you talk bad about my engine)

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RE: Why isn't the SuperTigre 2300 a popular engine?? - 12/9/2005 3:38:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		The ST 2300 is a 140. It was brought out to use in pattern back when that was the max allowable size in pattern.

Shortly after it came out, Super Tiger closed thier doors and for about 3 years, you couldn't buy Super Tigers.

Only recently have you been able to buy a 2300.

Shortly after the 2300 came out, there was the Y-S 140 four stroke and since the 160.

The Moki's are 210's, the OS's are 160's.

There are other, even bigger, Super Tigers like the 3250 and the 4500. They were not available either. Years ago they made a 2000, 2500, & 3000 but these engines are no longer in production.

Super Tiger lost a lot of market share in their move to China.

Enjoy,

Jim

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RE: Why isn't the SuperTigre 2300 a popular engine?? - 12/9/2005 4:01:09 PM   
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Status: online 		"Super Tiger lost a lot of market share in their move to China."

Darn shame that isn't true across the board! There wouldn't be that huge sucking sound from over Kahina way.




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RE: Why isn't the SuperTigre 2300 a popular engine?? - 12/9/2005 8:56:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the reason why the big cats aren't popular is because of the carbs.

I've owned my share of the cats--back before I switched to gas for big planes--and I always had carb problems. I ended up buying a bunch of OS7D carbs for the engines. Thats fixes the problem--but at $70 apiece--it's kinda BS. I was buying ST engines because of the price--but then you add another $70 for a decent carb--and they aren't so cheap anymore.

They do make power though. I was pretty impressed with the ST3000 pulling a 20-6 or a 20-8 prop at 7300RPM on 5% fuel at 6000' elevation. The 4500 was cranking a 22-10 at 7100RPM--but good GAWD, that was a thirsty beast!! I sold it pretty quick.

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RE: Why isn't the SuperTigre 2300 a popular engine?? - 12/9/2005 10:24:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Supertigres 2300 is one of their finest engines since they have fixed the carb design of the early production models. You will have to spend a few minutes getting the low needle set. The cause of many problems that I see are from people using too large a tank mounted too far away, too large a prop, and sometimes too much nitro. These same people are also the most vocal about their sorry Supertigres. The 2300s large carb is sensitive to tank location and needs good muffler pressure, 9000rpm+, and around 10%nitro. [I use 5% coolpower] A 16oz tank will run over 10 min with a small mixture change as the tank empties. Popular or not its a very good engine at a bargain price.

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RE: Why isn't the SuperTigre 2300 a popular engine?? - 12/10/2005 12:17:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kweasel

Supertigres 2300 is one of their finest engines since they have fixed the carb design of the early production models. You will have to spend a few minutes getting the low needle set. The cause of many problems that I see are from people using too large a tank mounted too far away, too large a prop, and sometimes too much nitro. These same people are also the most vocal about their sorry Supertigres. The 2300s large carb is sensitive to tank location and needs good muffler pressure, 9000rpm+, and around 10%nitro. [I use 5% coolpower] A 16oz tank will run over 10 min with a small mixture change as the tank empties. Popular or not its a very good engine at a bargain price.


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Additionally, before Super Tigre closed its doors, they stopped making the carb barrel with the proper groove machined in it for the G2300's needs. They substituted the barrel for the 4500, which had a different groove. The groove configuration affects the midrange mixture. Suddenly, what was a well behaved and excellent running engine turned into a nearly unusable paperweight.

Mr. Reivers, of this group, has done extensive experimenting and posting on this group detailiing how to machine the proper groove into the barrel with a simple Moto Tool and a cut-off wheel.

Hopefully, the newer Chinese versions have been restored to the proper groove configuration machined in the carb barrel. End of problem.

How much faith do I have in these engines? I just bought a new one a while back. They are fantastic engines and they come embarrassingly close in power to the OS 1.60 FX at over $100 less expense.


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RE: Why isn't the SuperTigre 2300 a popular engine?? - 12/10/2005 12:21:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'll tell ya I have a very old Italian, one of the originals, and avery new Chinese and they're both real popular with me. The only thing I had to do with either one to get them to run right was put fuel in the tank and start them up.

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RE: Why isn't the SuperTigre 2300 a popular engine?? - 12/10/2005 3:52:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I bought a new 2300 this past summer and I have nothing but good things to say about it. There was no carb problems and with my Perry pump the gas tank location is not an issue. I think that these engines will become popular again as they are very price competitive.

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RE: Why isn't the SuperTigre 2300 a popular engine?? - 12/10/2005 4:46:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have a 2300 that I bought in January of 1999. It has been in several planes. I made the mods to the carb. I think I got the information from Dick Hanson. With that change my engine has been very reliable and powerful. One other thing I did that seemed to help was to run an OS F glow plug. Right now I am buiding a new plane to put it in.

Steve

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RE: Why isn't the SuperTigre 2300 a popular engine?? - 12/10/2005 5:38:44 AM   
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Status: online 		I have 2 2300's. I really like them. I have used them with original carb, and with the Perry# 5001. It's a great engine for my 25% Edge. I use it with a DH Models(Dick Hanson) tuned muffler with a OS 'F' plug and a APC 17 x 8 or 17 x 8n prop. The best power comes from the Perry carb and the DH muffler( for uplines and sequences),but it flies very well with the stock carb and a pitts muffler. I really like the engine.

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RE: Why isn't the SuperTigre 2300 a popular engine?? - 12/10/2005 12:41:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a G2300. It's by far the highest power-to-dollar thing you can get anywhere, except for maybe MDS 2.14. It can swing APC 18x6W @ 8500 rpm with a BCM Pitts muffler. I am sure it can do more with stock muffler, ever more so with Turbo Jett muffler.

There is nothing wrong with the new Chinese version, except if you try to use an after-market scale muffler without pump or re-equating its back pressure to that of the stock muffler.

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RE: Why isn't the SuperTigre 2300 a popular engine?? - 12/10/2005 1:10:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		My chinese 2300 runs very well. when i broke it in i never needed to adjust the low end needle- it ran great at idle out of the box. i run omega 10% and after breakin it turns an apc 16-8 prop about 9000-9100 rpm, which is the same rpm as a saito 150 turns that prop (at least that's what the horizon site says the 150 does).

if you change the muffler you need to make sure that you have the correct back pressure for good fuel flow to the engine. i tried a slimline pitts muffler but it has outlet tubes that are much larger than the stock muffler tube. so i squeezed them down with a pair of adjustable pliers to about the same area as the stock muffler tube. then the 2300 ran great- it has very even carb/fuel flow and runs very smoothly at all rpm.

i put mine in a top flite 60 size p-47 - this plane flies GREAT! with this engine. i bought a second 2300 for a 120 size mustang.

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RE: Why isn't the SuperTigre 2300 a popular engine?? - 12/10/2005 2:06:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have my 2300 set up for speed in a Modified (Dago Red) style P51. Its inverted with a Jettstream muffler and a 14/14 apc. Flying it almost a year now and performs up to my expectations.

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RE: Why isn't the SuperTigre 2300 a popular engine?? - 12/10/2005 2:56:06 PM   
Ed Cregger



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ORIGINAL: rc34074

My chinese 2300 runs very well. when i broke it in i never needed to adjust the low end needle- it ran great at idle out of the box. i run omega 10% and after breakin it turns an apc 16-8 prop about 9000-9100 rpm, which is the same rpm as a saito 150 turns that prop (at least that's what the horizon site says the 150 does).

if you change the muffler you need to make sure that you have the correct back pressure for good fuel flow to the engine. i tried a slimline pitts muffler but it has outlet tubes that are much larger than the stock muffler tube. so i squeezed them down with a pair of adjustable pliers to about the same area as the stock muffler tube. then the 2300 ran great- it has very even carb/fuel flow and runs very smoothly at all rpm.

i put mine in a top flite 60 size p-47 - this plane flies GREAT! with this engine. i bought a second 2300 for a 120 size mustang.

ed



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Actually, your G2300 is considerably stronger than a Saito 1.50. A 16x8 prop on the G2300 is under propping it. Try a 17x8 or 18x8. You will be surprised.



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