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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/12/2005 2:26:43 AM

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EROC, there is that SMALL get together that DICKEYBIRD and others go to, I think it is held in ARKANSAS? It is a huge deal with vendors and lots of flight demos of gas and electric planes.

There sure is some mental gymnastics involved with doing this conversion, I'm trying my best to maintain the attitude of,"it's best to err on the side of being too light".

That's the ticket, go light. The plane will fly well and last longer.
You can fill in the spaces inbetween the longerons between the first and second formers, that will help things. Around the wing roots, too.

Eroc...you are right, there is plenty of power, power is not an issue versus weight...what it is all about is what happens when the plane hits the ground when landing. Light ones touch lightly and survive.

I have seen(and done) many different guillows conversions, from fully-sheeted to just tissue, all will FLY, but some better than others, and some LAST longer than others.
There is a guy named St. Martin over on RCgroups who has done most of them half a dozen times, with everything from 09 medallions to electric, he really would be the best guy to talk to about what really works the best in the long run, a great guy, a great builder.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/12/2005 3:19:40 AM

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Well, that's enough fun for one weekend, the plane is beginning to come together, there is just enough room to fit a throttle servo along with the elevator servo. The aileron servo just barely clears the fuel tank and other servos. I suppose if you wanted an active rudder, then it would have to be mounted aft with a seperate access hatch. I elected to go with the AP .061, just for the reason that it has a throttle, and it is quite a bit lighter than the COX .049. I think this plane will weigh less than 12 ozs RTF, which will make it very important to get the CG correct, to allow for the slowest landings possible.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/12/2005 3:46:51 AM

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Maybe a third line for filling, as you will have a cowl on...removing the fuel line from the carb to refuel is a pain...

Looks good, though. Funny how the weight just adds up, ain't it, though?

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/12/2005 10:57:08 AM

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CP, what is the actual difference between this .61 AP and the .61 Norvel ?

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/12/2005 12:46:14 PM

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For me there hasn't been much difference, the AP looks like an old style NORVEL. There have been a few reports here that the AP is no good, but I think they are OK.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/12/2005 1:15:02 PM

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OK thx CP. Only AP are imported here

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/12/2005 1:46:18 PM

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One made in china, one in russia. I've had no luck with AP engines, but I have not had the 061.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/12/2005 2:05:20 PM

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Wow. Nice build combat pig. It looks beautiful. I must say that I agree with all the massochistic statements made previously though. Did you do somethng really nasty last month, and this is some form of pennance? Anyway, I look forward to seeing how she flies. Don't catch a wing though or you'll be walking home with a bag of sticks.

Regards ZZ.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/12/2005 2:13:46 PM

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One made in china, one in russia.

Aside from origin of manufacture, as CP noted, the AP retains the AAN configuration while the NORVEL uses the newer "REVLITE" or AAO P/C composition.

I think what has given AP the poor reputation is the lack of quality control and consistancy from engine to engine. One of our club members has an AP .061 that starts well and runs and idles well. I don't think it has quite the top end of the NORVEL, but his seems to be one of the better ones. AP and MAGNUM fall into the same catagory -- if you get a good one, then it's a pretty good one, but if you get a dog, it's a real dog -- another of Forest Gump's chocolates.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/12/2005 6:56:13 PM

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CP,

You are fast. I love that unmistakable Guillow scale frame. Have you decided on covering material yet? I'm with Bruce on Jap tissue-- light and stiff. You might want to plank or sheet some of the nose, though. It's going to be fast, but if you keep it around 12-13 oz, I think it'll be OK.

I want to see this monster up close one day.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/13/2005 1:20:55 AM

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George, CP was up to the Mission Wings Smallflyin the past couple of years. Join the fun and come up there this coming summer. I couldn't make the last one because I was at about 15,000 feet and climbing over the field on my way back east while the guys were pulling in.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/13/2005 2:08:21 AM

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Hi ZZ! Yep , this style of building definately falls into the category of working harder instead of smarter. Some people are into tatoos and body piercings, this is the RC version of that. Can't complain too much after seeing an old timer hanging in the local hobby shop, the wing ribs are all built up from sticks, there are over 1500 pieces of wood in that birds' wing.

GEORGE, I look forward to meeting you at the MISSION FLY IN. It's a beautiful place to play with our little planes. I'll be ready for both the stock .061 and unlimited 1/2A warbirds racing event, even if I have to drive up with my own poles! Now how desperate does THAT sound? As far as covering goes, I fly over pretty course stubble/hay, so I foresee monokote in this planes' future.

ANDREW, nice to have you chiming in, your input has been lacking lately, have you been faithful to us?[

I feel like I've rolled the dice with AP a couple of times and come out OK. Of course, mine were bought through TOWER, and they would honor any legit beef if it was to come up. I've owned 2 of them, and they have been what I would call adequate, 90-95% as powerful as NORVEL. I just run them mostly on 15% fuel, with additional castor.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/13/2005 10:13:54 AM

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Aaaah Yes, another Guillows glow conversion. I've built the Spit and the Zero so far. Both had Baby Bee's on a rich setting to tone them down. The Spit was covered in silver Litespan and painted with Humbrol enamels. After a few landinds the silver started to show, looked fantastic. This was 10 years ago, servos were HS81's with a 50mah nicad.
First flight with the spit was nearly fatal. The incidence was wrong. Needed some packing to lower the front cord (1/16th'') after that it flew great. Keep 'em coming. Glad to hear there are still 'Real Modelers' out there.

Jaime - Portugal

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/14/2005 5:05:47 AM

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Hi FASTBANANA, One of the nicest conversions that I've ever seen was the ZERO. These planes are so fragile, one bad launch is probably all I will get. It will pay for me to double check the wings' incidence, right now it is only eyeballed. 1/16th isn't that much to be out of whack, but enough to be a problem. I'm thinking about lowering the engine a little, to help conceal the glowplug and muffler , plus get the thrust line closer to the planes' vertical CG

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