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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/15/2005 3:04:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phlip

The control/line models are not sheeted, and they're built with the kit wood. To alter the airfoil I added material.

I'm planning to sheet the R/C model, after serious lightening of the inner structure.

BTW, the long-nose Fw 190 is a Dora-9, or Fw 190D-9, powered by a liquid cooled in-line engine. I'm partial to the big round engines, myself.


The D-9 is a very different aircraft, and one of the GREAT aircraft of WWII. Very different under the surface than the regular D-9.

Sheet away if you like, but you had better get the weight off elsewhere...


The Dauntless is a great kit, it's more deluxe than the 190, from a different series of kits, even better.

I think Turnkey RC has a new Dauntless kit of the same dimensions, but specifically designed for RC...

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/15/2005 6:38:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Last time I was at the Boeing Museum of Flight they had the in line water cooled FW-190. Neat plane... although I guess it's still not quite what CP is after cause is still has the round cowl up front. If I remember correctly the round radiator is visible inside the cowl. Took me a second to figure out what I was looking at.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/16/2005 2:05:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't realize they had a slimmer version with an in line engine. After seeing the picture of it, with that funky cowl, it is a step backwards in eye appeal from the radial version. It's been a long time since I've been to the museum, everytime I go, it's with some one else, and the pressure to move through it with other people who aren't as interested in the same things sucks. Next time I go, it will be by myself!

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/16/2005 2:53:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Boeing Museum of Flight in Seattle has some neat stuff and some great venues. I went there last year to a beer fest in amoungst the 'planes.
Not much more going on this year and they havn't posted next yet.

http://www.museumofflight.org/Portal.asp?Flash=False

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/16/2005 3:02:34 AM   
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I didn't realize they had a slimmer version with an in line engine. After seeing the picture of it, with that funky cowl, it is a step backwards in eye appeal from the radial version. It's been a long time since I've been to the museum, everytime I go, it's with some one else, and the pressure to move through it with other people who aren't as interested in the same things sucks. Next time I go, it will be by myself!


I think the D-9 is beautiful, but to each his own...
There was also the TA-152, a very advanced long-wing version.

I think the last and the very first versions are the most beautiful.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/16/2005 3:52:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		CP - I feel your pain.. My family took me there for Father's Day once. It was very nice of them, but about half way through they were so bored and I ended up not seeing all that I wanted too. They opened this in 2004. http://www.museumofflight.org/Display.asp?Page=PerCourWing It's all about WWI and WWII fighters.... it does not get much better then that. Very cool stuff...

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/16/2005 4:34:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Beauty is in the eye of the beholder of course but for me nothing matches the pugnacious look of the original radial version with the short nose and compact moment arms. The D-9 not only added the longer engine and circular rad up front but added a few inches to the tail moment arm to compensate for the extra nose length. By all accounts it was a better airplane than the earlier ones but the short nosed Butcher Bird gets my nod.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/22/2005 4:47:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, whatever happened to this "birdcage" you were building CP? Did looking at all those liitle twigs finally make you go nuts? Or did the holidays just intervene? Me wants to see it fly!!

Regards ZZ.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/23/2005 3:45:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		HI ZZ, you are correct on all counts, plus I'm rewiring the lighting and signaling circuits in my old truck. Trying to find new, high quality lamp sockets is proving to be a pain. I did get around to making a cowl plug out of blue foam, but I sanded too much of a radius into it, [not out very much work though]. The FW 190 will pick up steam after the holidays!!

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/25/2005 1:30:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Progress report. I just spent a very enjoyable 3 hours watching the SEAHAWKS and COLTS play, and was able to work in some model building too. This blue foam is fairly easy to work with, but there is a dirty yellow foam that is better yet, I just don't happen to have any. If you dimple it or tear it, don't sweat it, just keep pressing on until you arrive at the basic overall shape. The next step is to paint the foam with epoxy laminating resin, which will form a hard crust . Once cured, the dents can now be removed with spackle or tapers' mud. A final coat of resin can be applied, smoothed out, then go through the typical mold prepping with PVA and wax. These parts will be made from 3 layers of 1.5 oz cloth, and the foam plugs will then be removed. The net result will be strong and light parts that will accept paint. I might use iron on film on the canopy.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/25/2005 6:44:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow! That's looking real good there CP! Your going to have to keep building during the playoffs too.

Merry Christmas!


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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/25/2005 7:17:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		MERRY XMAS SR77. There's gotta be an easier way to build a plane! It would be a challenge to build this particular fuselage any other way and have it come out as light. Formed 1/16" sheet balsa over a waxed hardwood mold is an idea I've been toying with. There would be about the same volume of wood as this bird cage.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/25/2005 1:30:22 PM   
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I know there are probably other ways to do it, but darn if that birdcage isn't elegant! A lot of youngsters would benefit from building a plane that way. They would learn a lot about the art of building model airplanes. Can't say that about most other methods of building. BTW, do you actually "build" an ARF or are you assembling it like a bike? Anyway, you are doing a beautiful job so far.

I don't mean to bore you with things you already know, but I can't help myself, you are modeling an a/c I really like. My understanding is the Dora D-9 version was a stop gap between the early versions of the 190 and the TA152. The whole idea was to get the Junkers inline bomber engine (a brute of an engine) into a fighter plan form. This was much the same approach the US took in putting the double Wasp in our later fighter designs. Unfortunately, for the Germans, they did not have the resources to start mass production of the TA152 (not many were completed before the end of the war). Some smart rascal came up with the idea of modifying 190 A-versions with the Junkers engine which, because of the engine's size, required extending the nose. This threw off the weights and balance so a short fuse extension was developed to be inserted forward of the vertical stab. I think at one point the redesign was packaged as a field mod. Anyway, the D-9 version gave the Germans a great intercepter that was as fast as anything the Allies had, including the Mustang. I think the Dora was a very good looking fighter and it is reported to be one of the finest built by the Germans in WWII (Much better overall than the FW190A and the Bf109). I have built the TF D-9 with most all of the bells and whistles - it is a great flyer and makes a real impact during a low pass. I think you picked a great aircraft to model - good moments and a sleek design. I will look forward to following this thread and your progress.

Oh, and a very Merry Christmas to you - my wife can't believe I am on the forum on Christmas morning!


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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/25/2005 8:55:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		CP- If you can make a hard wood mold of this bird... I think that would be a greater accomplishment then putting all these twigs together!

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