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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/26/2005 7:41:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		FLYSWATTER, what are you doing still up? You say you are just now getting up from the dinner table? !! It's after 2AM, your time!

I saw the comparison in battle damage demonstrated between the cannon and machine gun, and you had to hit something vital with the MG, to score, but with the cannon all you had to do was hit anything to score big. I thought it was interesting to also learn that the saying, "The Whole Nine Yards" came from the P47s' 9 yard long ammo belts. I didn't know that the 262 had scored so heavily, all this time I thought it was just a 12th hour entry that never really got into the mix.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/26/2005 3:34:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are right, I stayed up too late last night. But by the time we ate and got settled down it was late. Both of my girls and their husbands and my grand baby girls are staying with us, so it takes a little time to get everyone to bed. So, that is why it was so late before I got to visit with you guys.

The victory claims may have been somewhat over stated by the Germans but it is no question how devastating the 262s were on Allied bomber formations.

You probably know this, but the first credited USAAF 262 kill was accomplished by a couple of P47 pilots. They bounced one of the newly operational 262As (in the late summer or fall of '44, I can't remember which) over Belguim. Evidently, the German pilot was buzzing along on the deck without a care in the world, no "situational awareness", and the two P47s just slid in behind him and that was all she wrote.

I think your comments about the German cannon are right on the mark. I have a 20mm German cannon shell and several 50 cal rounds. Where the 50cal is scarey, the cannon shell is REAL scarey. Reports are that the 262 groups would fly/dive abreast on a group of Allied bombers and buzz right on through the formation, shooting it up as it went. The Germans say that after a rapid 262 attack they were be so spread out that they couldn't reform for another go. Some of the pilots would fly through and find themselves all alone.

But of the two fighters, I still like the Dora best. Probably, because it could perform and, also, give and take punishment. I always liked the Corsair, Hellcat, and the P47 for the same reasons. Don't get me wrong, I think the Mustang, the Spit, and the Bf109 were great planes. I guess I just really like the engineering and fighter mentality of the "brutes".

There, I am not going to bore you anymore with this stuff.


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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/26/2005 5:52:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Your input is never boring, FLYSWATTER. You know a lot more about what went on than I do, too. Right now, at my finger tips, it's amazing how much history is available on the net and I've done some searching around. History classes in school are a waste of time unless the student is interested in learning, now I'm at a stage where it is interesting.

I treated the cowl plug / mold to a coat of PVA [mold release] and wax, then wrapped the plug with strips of 1 oz cloth that were lightly misted with 3M77. I wrapped it with 2 layers, then rubbed in thick CA to saturate the cloth. Hit with accelerator, sand off major bumps, then repeat the process. The cowl would not release from the foam plug, so I used a wood chisel to dig out the innards, and the cowl got ripped in a few spots, but no big deal, just repair with more cloth and CA. Medium CA works best, but all I had was thick. I think I will just leave the foam canopy plug in place, it is all faired into the fuselage with spackle, and doesn't weigh that much. It could be covered with low temp iron on without any glass work. Oh, the final prep for the cowl does include a skim coat of bondo, mainly because no matter how good a wrap job you do, there will always be low spots that you don't want to sand down to, or else you start removing too much material.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/26/2005 7:57:24 PM   
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You probably know this, but the next time you use foam for the plug, you could use a couple of light coats of epoxy to set the fg cloth. Then you can desolve the plug with a solvent (ie, gasoline). Believe this method is called the "lost foam" technique. The drawback is that the epoxy would result in a heavier piece than the CA method you used.


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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/26/2005 8:50:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		The epoxy process is a good one, but I'm too impatient to see results. I think the CA is easier to sand out too. It takes alot less glue than you would guess to get good saturation. The first time I saw this method used, it was for a 1/2A C/L handle that a guy made from mostly hard balsa, with the cloth and CA as a skin. Nice light handle improved the feel for what the plane was/wasn't doing, which seemed to allow the need for less eye contact with the plane that you're flying and more time to keep up with what the other guy is doing....sounds good in theory.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/26/2005 11:36:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Still pecking away at it. The cowl has received a couple of layers of reenforcement around the big opening, and it still needs the final smoothing. Oh ya, a hole for the exhaust, maybe, or maybe just let the exhaust burn its' own hole in the finished cowl while the plane's flying? That way I'm sure the hole will be dead on.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/27/2005 1:30:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is the muffler in there too? I bet you would not really need a hole for exhaust with the front and top opened up like that. I would just make a small hole in the bottom near the firewall for the drips. But that's just me...

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/27/2005 1:48:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, NOW he speaks up! Too late, buddy......I already hacked into it and got a first class exhaust duct now. It should at least help heat escape, and a good amount of spray to get out.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/27/2005 4:04:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey that's clever! Looks like you just took out a piece of the firewall?

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/27/2005 4:22:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yep, just took out the razor saw and "went to town" on it. My patience for little details is about maxxed out on this thing, I don't want to get too much time invested in it, then be afraid to fly it. It's about time to finish up the tail pieces and then finally cover this thing ! This would be the plane to try a real diesel 1/2A engine on. I can't say that I recall any definite opinions given here about which is best, the MP JET or PAW?

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/27/2005 5:24:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		PAW. That foam may not be diesel-proof, though...the white foam is not...

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/27/2005 3:08:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great looking cowl and canopy CP!! Be sure to coat the inside with some heavy coats of water based poly to keep the oil from seeping in and you should be golden. If you need it real secure, coat it once or twice with the water based poly, then hit it with clear spray on polyeurethane, or even high gloss black paint. That will seal it up nicely. Just besure to use a couple coats of the water based to seal or the spray on stuff will eat your foam. By the way, what was wrong with that pic is that your dad didn't smuggle that thing home so you could have it sitting in your garage right now!! Guess he shoulda mailed it piece by piece like a jeep! Speaking of interesting history as you were, there was a division of the Luftwaffe, as I'm sure your already aware, that tested the captured enemy aircraft they came across. They slapped their markings on them and flew them extensively. I'll have to re-read a book I'm reading now to find out where exactly it was, but I dont think it was far from Stuttgart, any way some of the Horton designed aircraft were there as well. Imagine coming across those for the first time. Probably was what gave rise to a lot of the "german ufo" theories and stories that circulated after the war. It is amazing though that even something as experimental as the Volksjager/Salamander, got combat time, and kills! Shows what aviation can do when all boundaries are removed.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/27/2005 3:30:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Beware that with diesel and foam, all it takes is one tiny pinhole in the glass, and the foam gets eaten away. Don't know about blue foam, again.
It was KG200 that did so much of the experimentation, especially with captured Allied aircraft.
The He162 Salamander did NOT see combat...there has never been a single reported incident of that happening. But many were built.

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RE: GUILLOWS' FW 190 - 12/27/2005 3:48:57 PM   
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