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mikerc -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/3/2006 5:01:58 PM)

How many folks have followed the break-in procedure in the book? I think this is the problem with the engines. These little engines have little to no tolerance. They need to be broken in slowly and with care. People are getting in a hurry and not following directions. I sound like my dad. I have been flying airplanes for 15 years and always followed manufacturer recommendations and only had one engine fail. Fox 2.4ci gasser broke a rod. Fox replaced it without question. They said it was a bad part.

I am not bashing--just sounds like some inexperienced rc'ers.



dpatino -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/3/2006 5:05:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mikerc

How many folks have followed the break-in procedure in the book? I think this is the problem with the engines. These little engines have little to no tolerance. They need to be broken in slowly and with care. People are getting in a hurry and not following directions. I sound like my dad. I have been flying airplanes for 15 years and always followed manufacturer recommendations and only had one engine fail. Fox 2.4ci gasser broke a rod. Fox replaced it without question. They said it was a bad part.

I am not bashing--just sounds like some inexperienced rc'ers.


I followed the procedure in the book exactly. I've been flying planes for 16 years, and also have never had a plane engine fail like this (course you can't kill a plane engine by running it up to full throttle while on the ground, hehe). My problem was asking another plane guy for help with the engine, and by time the car was run up to full throttle and I yelled, it was too late. He's offered to pay for any replacement parts (or a new engine if it's that bad). Once I get the head off I can see if the metal shavings did any real damage..



spacoli -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/3/2006 5:24:59 PM)

Do you or anyone if this this is normal ofr the clutch to do this or is this another problem?

How was the clutch bell attached? Looks like a C clip?
I was thinking maybe mine was loose but I guess not.

Weather don't look to bad outside right now, I think I'm going to run tank 5 and maybe 6.

I will post results on my next few runs.



Bill Plude -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/3/2006 6:50:30 PM)

dpatino, I may not be seeing the right ones but what I see looks like the flakes you have in your clutch bell might be metal. Nothing like the big black plastic ones we're talking about all over the areas surrounding the spur gear.



Chicken-Hunter -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/3/2006 7:14:50 PM)

Some of the plastic parts are easy to break in any weather, I took my Warhead out on monday after breaking it in on the weekend. it flipped on me in a turn and rolled about 3 times and the rear shock tower and body mount broke. I was only doin about 20 MPH or so when it flipped. I am just hoping that it was a defective part and that this is not a trend, I am however gonna stick up on some of the plastic parts from Tower so I don't have to wait 2 weeks to get replacements from DTX warranty, that way I will be able to run it while waiting for replacements.[sm=bananahead.gif]



ynot1 -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/3/2006 8:13:20 PM)

I've done that before, except this is one of the bolts that holds the head on. You can't get to it with a dremel because of the cooling fins.

Dupatino, They make whats called an ease-out tool probably what you will need.



FE_Chris -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/3/2006 11:23:32 PM)

I am pretty sure the flakes are from the clutch shoes. My flakes are definitly from some plastic, or nylon source...they are not metal. O well.....Guess we need a new clutch kit and fly wheel sometime. I mean it's a 2 shoe anyway, so it's gonna need a nicer clutch at some point or another.

I checked for the clearance for a tiger drive. I am not sure if it will work or not. I think if hobby town has it in tomorrow I will go pick it up and see what the deal is. That way I can return it if it does not work out.

That sucks about the broken shock towers and such. You know, sometimes you hit something just right and it snaps. It happens. But I am with the fact that if this truck cannot prove it's durability then I will ebay it for sure. It seems to be a nice ride, many "option" parts installed. Nice engine (mostly [:D]), shocks, ect....but that does not mean crap unless it can take a beating.

I will be racing my warhead this sunday at the local track. I had my steering servo saver plastic part break on me DURING breakin lol. I was using a actively vented garage (thats heated too, and I don't pay the heat bill [;)]) and jumping it over this little 8 inch tall ramp I made. I caught the end once at about 10 MPH with the front tire and I lost all steering. The plastic part snapped. I had found out that when I loosened my servo saver, and put it all back together I had tightened the 2 screws down too tight that go in from the bottom plate into the servo saver post deals. Both of the screw's seem to bind the steering some if they are tightened down to much. I have never had this problem with any other RC, but ok. I went ahead and tightened the 2 screws into the posts as much as I could without binding the steering system to much, and used some thread lock. The part is not cheep and I am ordering some parts tonight too. Take a look at my list and let me know if you guys can think of anything else I mught need. Thanks.

Order from tower so far: (I am hoping I can get it by sat so I have spare parts for the track [8|])

(2)DuraTrax Ball End Large w/Ball Overdrive ST (2) (elite told me to get'em I forgot why lol) only 6 bucks for 2 sets
(2)DuraTrax Spur Gear 49T Warhead
(1)DuraTrax Suspension Arm Set Lower Warhead
(3)DuraTrax Servo Saver Set Warhead (this is the parts bag with the one I broke during breakin, wanna have plenty so I think 3 wil do))
(1)DuraTrax Bulkhead Set Front Warhead

Later dudes!!!



spacoli -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/4/2006 12:16:57 AM)

I run tanks 5 and 6 today, everything went well. Temp out side was 40. Tank 5 temps were good and I started leaning out, after about 1/2 the tank was gone the temps started to rise, nothing bad.

Tank 6 went very good temps were steady (230-250) depending on the speed I was running.
The motor ran and sounded consistant at different throttle positions.
I still think I can lean it out some more (not much) as I run a few more tanks though it.

I do have to adjust the throttle trim to open the carb alittle to get it started. Is this common?
My LSN pinch test sounds good, and there is no hesitation punching it from stand still.
Should I adjust the idle screw? If so which way do I need to turn it?
Edit: Idle is good once it's warmed up, if i richen up the LSN the slightest little bit, it sounds like it's going to stall.

Still have oil under the motor, not as much. I tried to look with a flashlight, I think it's the exhaust leaking dripping down on the pull starter and collecting under the bottom of the motor.
I have read somewhere that they recommend a second spring to hold the pipe tighter to the exhaust port.

Over all motor is coming around and from what I read will only get better.

I will say this again, keep in mind I'm new and don't have anything to compare this truck to.
For all I know it could be nothing compared to other motors and trucks.





FE_Chris -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/4/2006 12:57:41 AM)

Spac, I do not know off the top of my head which way to turn the idle screw, but if it's good when the engine gets to temp, I would leave it. If I do not use a heat gun to warm the block, I have to give it some throttle too to start. Don't floor it right off the bat when the engine first fired up, thats bad for it. When it fired let off and just do the normal blips and 2 second holds of about 1/3 to keep her from bogging out.

I would try the second spring on the header to seal it better. Also, I think you should pull then engine and seal the carb, and back plate. it takes about an hour, and only 10 or so screws on the motor have to come off. get some high-tempature permatex and it will be fine.


Also, hey spac, what color is your exhaust header gasket??? Mine is blue. Just wondering if maybe they used differant ones on differant trucks. Maybe try some differant gaskets.



spacoli -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/4/2006 1:21:11 AM)

Thanks you the good info. I thought my LSN and idle were fine from what I have been reading. Like I said I just open the carb up a little bit to get it started after 30 seconds I trim it back closed and it idles fine after a cold start.

I will eventually take the truck apart to see how to take the different moduals come out, then I will seal the motor.

In the Warhead manual, on the break in page. Ten ways to ensure long life from your engine #9 says you should no use silicone sealer on engine joints. Says it's corrsive. Is that something to worry about? Should I be looking for some special silicone?

My gasket is blue also.



lukskywalker -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/4/2006 2:38:52 AM)

Hey spac,
Its good to finally read something that makes sense, and also glad to see things working out for the warhead. I personally think alot of everyones problems are because there not taking the time to break in the engine. Whats to stop them, knowing and having the temptation of accelerating the trk to see what it has. I am still tossing up from warhead or the savage 25. I really like how the warhead is module and easy to take apart compared to the savage 25. Still debating on getting a starting box or stick with the pull start,unless i hear back from the previous poster (in column 6) about how to install a retro start. If anyone else would have a option of which trk to get(warhead or savage 25)please let me know. [:D]



spacoli -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/4/2006 3:23:21 AM)

I tried my best to do it right, I did screw up on my fisrt run and get it realy hot. From what I have been reading it's better running hot than cold. I haven't done any crazy jumping or crashing, so I don't have any broken parts to speak of like some of the other experianced RC guys that know how to drive and bash these trucks.

As for the starter thing. If your talking about Tiger Drive is a 25$ replacement for the pullstart, I'm not sure if that will work there isn't any room back there for a drive from a drill to be inserted. Unless to can adjust the rotation of them and the drive would end up right where the pullstart is. I like the idea of a starter box. I have not had any problems with my pullstart, I'm just careful. The motor does have allot of compression and I can see where people are having trouble breaking the pullstart. You have to hold on to the chassis good while pulling. Starting after it's warm is a breeze. Just that first start after it's been sitting a day could tough.



quote:

ORIGINAL: lukskywalker

Hey spac,
Its good to finally read something that makes sense, and also glad to see things working out for the warhead. I personally think alot of everyones problems are because there not taking the time to break in the engine. Whats to stop them, knowing and having the temptation of accelerating the trk to see what it has. I am still tossing up from warhead or the savage 25. I really like how the warhead is module and easy to take apart compared to the savage 25. Still debating on getting a starting box or stick with the pull start,unless i hear back from the previous poster (in column 6) about how to install a retro start. If anyone else would have a option of which trk to get(warhead or savage 25)please let me know. [:D]




FE_Chris -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/4/2006 4:40:33 AM)

Yeah, I wrote about the tiger drive up the post a little bit lol [8|]

It can be rotated, I saw one on a LST that was rotated. I am gonna take the WH into hobbytown with me and see what the story is with it and if there is room to start it from the left side of the truck (if you where sitting in the drivers seat :-) or whatever. I just don't want to have to get a starter box, then I have to get 2 batts with it and ect...lol more money, more money.



Wide Open -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/4/2006 1:21:51 PM)

everybody seems to be breaking stuff but ive tumbled mine plenty of times and not broken anything. and i got to test the whole "modular design" thing when i took off the bulk heads. it was a total of twelve screws, very easy.



dpatino -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/4/2006 4:40:49 PM)

Since I'm getting a new engine, I'm going to mount the engine to one of my test stands and throw an airplane prop on it. I'll break it in on the bench before ever putting it in the truck.

Supertigre's site even recommends this for car and helicopter engines.



mikerc -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/4/2006 4:47:46 PM)

Dpatino,

Let us know how it goes. I plan on doing the same but was wondering about the smaller (shorter) shaft.



wyd -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/4/2006 5:04:56 PM)

I know my breakin went easier when I used my heat gun and heated the motor a little as that made the pinch open just enough to make pull starting a bunch easier. Now I use the heat gun to heat the motor a tad and use a starter box to get it running. Once break in is done and the motor is tuned I will use the pull start more since it will start quickly with the right settings.



lukskywalker -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/4/2006 5:23:25 PM)

DPATINO ,

Where did you read this. I went to there web site and saw nothing of this. I also read the manual and talked to 2 diff hobby stores and they all looked at me like I was nuts. All I saw from supertigre web site was to (break in a engine is to have it open full throttle) which is totally opposite of what the manual and local stores are telling me, not to mention all of the forums I have read.



lukskywalker -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/4/2006 5:26:29 PM)

wyd,
How do u like the starter box?? After you warm the engine is it pretty easy to start with the starter box. What kind of starter box do u have???



spacoli -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/4/2006 6:19:27 PM)

When I bought the Warhead for my son for xmas, I knew eventually I would be getting a nitro truck for myself by springtime so I could run with him.

Well it didn't take that long, I found a new Revo on ebay that a guy said he bought on a whim and never even fueled up, charged the battery or anything. He had a buy it now price on it which was a fair price, but I wanted to see if I could get him down a little. I did, my final price was $390. shipped. I don't think that was bad considering the cheapest I have found online was around $430. shipped.

Now that the Warhead is pretty much broke in I won't have to worry as much when he is running it.
I'm looking forward to running them together with my son.
We always mountain bike together during the summer and I said to him it will be nice after a ride (we are usally very worn out) to bring the truck along and run them after we are done riding.

What do you guys think.

I will post a picture the seller sent me.

Here a picture of me and the boy doing what I love. I know it has nother to do with RC but since I mentioned it above I thought i would post it.



Bill Plude -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/4/2006 6:35:09 PM)

Well, I've had no engine problems at all. I broke mine in kinda like the book says only instead of 5 full tanks I did maybe 8-9 1/2-3/4 tanks because of the cold weather. I also did it with the body on (it didn't need any extra cooling. LOL. I haven't had any pull start problems, nor have I had to remove any head gaskets, shims or whatever they are. My starter box just came in today (I got the Universal II which is recommended, figure I can use it for my 2 buggies too) like I said the pull start works fine but why work when you don't have too. I tried one of those roto starts on one of my buggies(.28Picco) before and kept breaking the end off when it got flooded and the compression was too much.
I think this thread has gone about as far as it's going to go without repeteing itself. RC Universe has promised a WarHead review soon, I'll be looking forward to that. Lets hope some aftermarket stuff gets out there soon (at least by Spring). I'm happy with the WarHead and I think I'll be buying another one soon for when company comes over so there's another truck to "race/bash" with.



Bill Plude -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/4/2006 6:41:28 PM)

You're gonna love the REVO! Everytime I bought a second one, one of my son's would do a "time payment" buy it from me. 2 of my sons have REVOs now! (they may OWN them by Spring, but what are Dads for?) LOL



dpatino -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/4/2006 7:51:26 PM)

well, it doesn't really specifically say a car engine ( :) ) but:
http://www.supertigre.com/faq/product-faq.html#q14
and the one right below it
and the fact that this is how I broke in my helicopter engines...



wyd -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/4/2006 11:17:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lukskywalker

wyd,
How do u like the starter box?? After you warm the engine is it pretty easy to start with the starter box. What kind of starter box do u have???
I really like the starter box. I have used my 1/10 Ofna starter box and I'm using a 1/8th universal starter box from Ofna as well. Both work fine. When the engine is warm or at least at room temp of 70 or so the motor starts very easily. Pretty straight forward. I don't even have the boxes setup for my truck. I just look under the truck and line it up that way and start it up. To me pull starting is never as good as a starter box. Pull starts are fine if the truck starts in a pull or two but in many cases that don't always happen so since I have access to a starter box I will use it most of the time.



wyd -> RE: Anyone own a Warhead (1/4/2006 11:24:19 PM)

spacoli I use to ride some mountain bikes. Alot of fun and sometimes painful!!!!!![:D] I'm sure you know what I mean.



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