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RE: Tips And Tricks for CAD Programs. - 2/27/2008 11:40:20 PM   
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Does anybody know is it possible to align the side with bottom. As you see on the pic, the front part is attached but rear part is not, because the rear has a little curve and i couldn´t figure out how to bend it. The whole thing is made with solids in autocad


crow,

I've done what you want to do (also in AutoCAD with 3D solids). It can be done if the corner front is a straight line, and the rear is a straight line, and it's just an angle between the two straight lines.

The simple way would be:
1. SLICE the side panel where it is supposed to bend.
2. ROTATE (maybe ROTATE3d) the rear half of the side panel so that the inboard side lines up the rear half of the bottom panel.
3. Fill in the wedge shape void that is left behind (in any way you like).
4. UNION everything back together again.

If you slice the side panel in a smarter way, you can do it so that there is no wedge shape VOID left behind, and instead you'll have a wedge shape "intersection" that will disappear after the UNION command.

I don't think it can be done in AutoCAD if the rear is a curve (not a straight line).

By the way... I gave up doing 3D stuff in AutoCAD. I'm now learning to using SolidWorks. It's unbelievable much easier it is to do things in SolidWorks (even with the steep curve of learning new software).

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RE: Tips And Tricks for CAD Programs. - 2/28/2008 1:09:48 AM   
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hi friends
can someone explain how to design 3D canopy using solidworks ?
few screen shotes will help
thanks !

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RE: Tips And Tricks for CAD Programs. - 2/28/2008 7:39:07 AM   
crow


 

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quote:

Does anybody know is it possible to align the side with bottom. As you see on the pic, the front part is attached but rear part is not, because the rear has a little curve and i couldn´t figure out how to bend it. The whole thing is made with solids in autocad


crow,

I've done what you want to do (also in AutoCAD with 3D solids). It can be done if the corner front is a straight line, and the rear is a straight line, and it's just an angle between the two straight lines.

The simple way would be:
1. SLICE the side panel where it is supposed to bend.
2. ROTATE (maybe ROTATE3d) the rear half of the side panel so that the inboard side lines up the rear half of the bottom panel.
3. Fill in the wedge shape void that is left behind (in any way you like).
4. UNION everything back together again.

If you slice the side panel in a smarter way, you can do it so that there is no wedge shape VOID left behind, and instead you'll have a wedge shape "intersection" that will disappear after the UNION command.

I don't think it can be done in AutoCAD if the rear is a curve (not a straight line).

By the way... I gave up doing 3D stuff in AutoCAD. I'm now learning to using SolidWorks. It's unbelievable much easier it is to do things in SolidWorks (even with the steep curve of learning new software).

Juice


thanks Juice

i´ll give it a try. So basicly if i can slice it one time i can slice several times to follow the contour of bottom. If the slices are in short distances it should look like nice curved side.

crow


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RE: Tips And Tricks for CAD Programs. - 2/28/2008 6:56:37 PM   
crow


 

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i´ tried the slicing thing and it works fairly well. Juice, do you know, is it possible to loose these slice lines after the parts are joined?

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RE: Tips And Tricks for CAD Programs. - 2/29/2008 12:34:25 AM   
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Try the FILLET command on the slice lines.

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RE: Tips And Tricks for CAD Programs. - 5/24/2008 10:25:24 AM   
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Just input from someone who make parts from cad files. Try to use p-lines instead of splines and ellipses. Undefinable Bezier curves cause the G code (machine language) to go through the roof. A simple ellipse traced with p-line may have 20 lines of code where a true ellipse may have 200 or more.

Some controls can't hold big files, or they have to be broken into multiple files. The problem is slowly going away with PC based controls, but there are a lot of older controler out there with limited file capacity.

Ask your machine operator and programer for advice if you plan to do production type drawing. They will tell you what they want to make it easiest for them. Remember, they charge for the amount of time they have to mess around with your drawings, and the amount of time the machine is running. It all adds up to some serious dollars if you are getting abrasive waterjet cutting or laser cutting done.

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RE: Tips And Tricks for CAD Programs. - 5/24/2008 1:28:33 PM   
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Thanks for that tip...

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RE: Tips And Tricks for CAD Programs. - 5/24/2008 9:07:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: r72cnvt

Just input from someone who make parts from cad files. Try to use p-lines instead of splines and ellipses. Undefinable Bezier curves cause the G code (machine language) to go through the roof. A simple ellipse traced with p-line may have 20 lines of code where a true ellipse may have 200 or more.

Some controls can't hold big files, or they have to be broken into multiple files. The problem is slowly going away with PC based controls, but there are a lot of older controler out there with limited file capacity.

Ask your machine operator and programer for advice if you plan to do production type drawing. They will tell you what they want to make it easiest for them. Remember, they charge for the amount of time they have to mess around with your drawings, and the amount of time the machine is running. It all adds up to some serious dollars if you are getting abrasive waterjet cutting or laser cutting done.


Been an AutoCAD user since 1990, and agree completely. Some people seem to be in love with splines, and do not realise the problems that they cause at the ''number crunching'' level.

I do use them when I want to generate a smooth curve. But then I use the ''divide'' command to generate points. Then I use the ''list'' command then copy that output from the text window into MS Word, where I use find and replace to format it so that I can generate a script file that will draw a polyline.

A script file is nothing more than a .txt file where you rename it to a .scr file. I would look like this;

pline
<xvalue1>,<yvalue1>
<xvalue2>,<yvalue2>
<xvalue3>,<yvalue3>
<xvalue4>,<yvalue4>
<xvalue5>,<yvalue5>

etc.

Go to the command line and type ''script'', then brows to the file you created, and *poof* you have a pline. (If you have a couple hundred points, these extra steps are worth it)

A simple explination of whay splines are troublesome is that the algorythms that drive CAD programs are based on the mathematics of linear matricies. This involves the simultaneous calculation of large numbers of linear equations. These are equations where tha variables x, y, and z are all raised to the first power, as opposed to second power (squared) functions, and third power (cubic) functions. Splines are cubic functions.

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RE: Tips And Tricks for CAD Programs. - 6/4/2008 10:34:26 PM   
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In aerospace as far as I know Catia V5 is the standard. I used SolidWorks in college. I also took a course in Pro-E. I had solidworks figured out before I had to take the pro-e class. The thing I have found about the big-name solid modelers is that the functions are the same, its the button placement and menus that are hard to learn. I also prefer to draw the model of the plane in Solidworks, then use the fuselage and wing to extract contours for fuselage formers and bulkheads and wing ribs. This is not so easy when working with a fuselage with very complex curvature or a limited set of defined cross sections (modeling an existing aircraft), but it is easy enough to fudge contours that are close to what the real thing looks like unless you want to machine a mold (not for me, I did DBF for 2 years in college, composite fuselage molds both years cut on a Haas VMC, and some on a CNC router, never again). It helps to know a surface modeler like Rhino or 3DSmax (RPITA). I am working on two of my own CAD projects right now, a Bf 109 and a Sukhoi Su-26MX. I find solidworks to be the most friendly and intuitive solid modeler with a lot of advanced capabilities.

Cimcim, show a screenshot of what you are having trouble with or a pic of the plane you would like to model. I can try to help you as best I can.

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RE: Tips And Tricks for CAD Programs. - 7/21/2008 9:11:01 AM   
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Modelcad

I like to to if someone can help me get started on this software. I recently down loaded it and tried to work with it but, i can't get past initial stages. When new window opens up, set of all types of tools are present but there is no designation as what tool is for what purpose. I really like to learn how to use this program and then later on i will try to draw my first set of simple model plans. I would appreciate all the help.

Thanks,
Sammy

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RE: Tips And Tricks for CAD Programs. - 7/22/2008 1:45:19 AM   
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I can't help you with ModelCAD, but I have a suggestion... if the version you're using is not the top of the line, take a look on Amazon. Do a Search for ModelCAD and see what books they have that are available for your 'older' version... Those books are usually VERY heavily discounted and have some pretty good tutorials.

I've learned a couple of pieces of software that way - at least enough to get me started...

Bob


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