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Seagull's "Dual Ace" - 12/18/2005 12:55:20 AM   
Kmot



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http://www.jperkinsdistribution.co.uk/detail.php?JPNO=5500175&activepage=1&Navmain=Aircraft - ARTF &subcatname=ARTF - Seagull

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RE: Seagull's "Dual Ace" - 12/18/2005 9:49:32 PM   
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Status: online 		38 views and no comments. Hmmm....... guess it won't be a big seller here!

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RE: Seagull's "Dual Ace" - 12/18/2005 10:00:50 PM   
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Lousy pictures, not much information, and a high price for a fancied up TwinStar.

Enough comment?

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RE: Seagull's "Dual Ace" - 12/18/2005 11:02:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Agree, some better pics would be nice.

Is it available in the US? Does it come With a retract option. If it has a tapered wing and symetrical airfoil it would be pretty hot.

Good find, thanks for sharing

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RE: Seagull's "Dual Ace" - 12/19/2005 2:50:56 AM   
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I see it as a much better alternative than a Twinstar. Looks far better. Has clear windows and a cockpit could be installed. Larger nacelles hide the engtines better and look more scale. The airplane reminds me of a Twin Commanche. I like it. I see one in my future.

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RE: Seagull's "Dual Ace" - 12/19/2005 5:42:54 AM   
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they available here in Oz and a club member has test flown one using 2 x .46 AXs for motivation ! As you could imagine it went like a rocket!
I took a look at one (NIB) at had a constant chord, symetrical wing, reasonable covering and looked quite Ok for a twin hack, although I would have to install retracts and paint some cammo on it !! (Twin Warbirds for me!)
They seem very lightly built (almost flimsy) and with a fliying weight of only around 10lbs they would/should be very easy twin to fly, next time I'm at the field I'll try and get some pics and post them.

cheers

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RE: Seagull's "Dual Ace" - 12/19/2005 7:52:47 AM   
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Status: online 		spitmad: g'day, and glad you chimed in! Please do take lots of piccy's and post away!!

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RE: Seagull's "Dual Ace" - 12/19/2005 7:19:35 PM   
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I have a Seagull Dual Ace which I bought a couple of weeks ago. It was bought on Monday and flying on Friday. I have fitted 2 TT GP42's (cheap plain bearing motors which are well used) and needed a touch on lead to balance the light engines. I balanced it 10mm back from the suggested 80-90mm at 100mm from the L.E. and she flies superbly. Very quick and highly aerobatic. I can prop-hang it and I am sure the passengers would not be very happy inside! Fellow club members have been very impressed and the sound is great. I have pasted some photos on our club web site in the reviews section www.hornetsmfc.co.uk. Motors are side mounted.

Steerable noseleg was replaced with a fixed 6swg home made one as it was useless on our grass patch otherwise I was very impressed with the quality and build. It goes together really well and the instructions are not too bad - not up to Hangar 9 standard but far better than the Flair Mosquito I am building. I used all the supplied hardware which seems well up to the job. I particularly like the glass nacelle halves which enclose the engine, tank etc and the servo for each elevator half. All up weight is 11 lbs and the handling is excellent with no nasty surprises. Last Sunday I had to stop flying as I put half a gallon through it and ran out of fuel!

I would recommend you take a close look at this twin as the box is a little unrepresentative of the quality of the model in my opinion.

Guy Glover

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RE: Seagull's "Dual Ace" - 12/19/2005 8:03:15 PM   
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A little bother to get to your club site, but I managed it. Then I had to find the plane. For those who go in, it's listed under "Projects."

To save others the effort here are the pictures, cleaned up a bit of course.

Bill.



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RE: Seagull's "Dual Ace" - 12/19/2005 9:13:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is good looking aircraft. I wonder why someone who is trying to sell a model does not include good quality pics. When I first saw the pics on the seller's site, I passed it off as "goofy" looking, but the pics added to the thread show it is much better looking.
I noticed the website mentions "channels-6", & "servos-7". Does this mean that it has flaps and retracts?

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RE: Seagull's "Dual Ace" - 12/19/2005 9:27:58 PM   
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In Guy Glover's write-up at his club site, he said he had used dual elevator servos. That, with dual aileron and throttle servos, makes seven adding the rudder servo.

To get to his site, click on his link first, then cut and paste the bolded URL (in the upper section) into the search box, click "Go." Then click "Projects" to see the next link that takes you to the report. Needlessly complex, but that's what I had to do.

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RE: Seagull's "Dual Ace" - 12/19/2005 11:13:27 PM   
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Bill, thanks for capturing and posting the pictures! That is a handsome airplane. I definitely see it in my future now. Just need to get one stateside.

Guy, thanks for chiming in and making your pictures and performance known!

TLH101: talk about goofy pics on the box. The Phoenix F-20 has about the goofiest drawing ever. I got the plane and inside is nothing like the drawing. Of course it is much much better. Phoenix really needs to can the drawings and stick to photos of the real model!

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RE: Seagull's "Dual Ace" - 12/19/2005 11:57:45 PM   
William Robison



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Status: offline 		Tom (and others):

Sorry, I missed a couple steps to get into Guy's site. Just went in gain, and made screen shots along the way.

1) Click on the link in Guyglo's post.
2) Cut and paste the club name into the search box, and click "GO."
3) Even though this looks like you've been sent back home, click on the club name.
4) Now click on "Projects (etc)."
5) Select the "Seagull Twin,"
6) And there you are.

Sorry for the error.

Bill.



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RE: Seagull's "Dual Ace" - 12/20/2005 6:33:12 AM   
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called past the local hobby store and had another look at the Dual Ace, retails here in Australia for $270 which is good value for a twin (considering that alot of single engine .46 size ARFs are $250ish , the only other ARF twins are the ESM/KMP B25 @ $560, the ESM P38 @ $640 and the CMPro Mosquito @ $450.

The model is VERY light weight for a twin (bordering on flimsy!), I contemplated splashing some cash as it is so cheap (as I have spare engines, servos etc to build with no extra cost )but decided that it was too much work to fit retracts (all the extra strengthening of U/C Mounts) and the covering looks like it will peel easily........It looks like it would be a nice 'reliable twin hack' that you could fly with minimal maintenance