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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/20/2005 2:56:15 AM   
DSLarkin


 

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Every year the Aero Club submits an audited financial statement. The MAAC office has copies.

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/20/2005 3:58:05 AM   
r/cnerd



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Why would MAAC release confidential information to you, particularly on a public forum?



Well excuuuse me!

I thought MAAC was a club, I was a member (not that kind of member!) and this would be public info anyways....I stand corrected...I think. So it's a big secret then? Why's that?


For starters -- nobody knows who you are -- you could be anybody, from anywhere, with any motive.

Secondly, while MAAC has a slot on the membership form for date of birth, questions of a personal nature do not have to be answered. Furthermore, it is unlawfull to distribute confidential personal information without specific individual authorization of the member(s) involved.

Which brings us the the anonymous "global" information that you seek -- I think that MAAC would have to request authorization from the collective membership to distributed that information outside of MAAC itself.


Probably quite true....one year when preparing our solicitation letters for the F3A team I called the head office and asked for an excel sheet of club listings that would save me a lot of work of inputting them myself. Linda indicated that they could not provide me a file like that, even though club listings are on the website.

My guess for the average age would put it 40-50 ish. I am 28 and am very routinely one of the youngest (although rarely the youngest) at many events I attend each year.....although I have been at it for 16 years so maybe I am an oldtimer as well.

R/cnerd - for someone who cant commit to a committee (I am on 3 its not a big commitement) for lack of time you sure find a lot of time to post on RCU.



Well since you asked , I am a small business owner in a very seasonal line of work. Although this allows me much freedom through much of the year, there is a 2-4 month stretch where I often don't even have time to check my email let alone these forums. For this reason I was, in the past, unable to properly honour my commitment whrn I did serve as a communications liason for a local R/c car racing club. Now you know!!

And britbrat, you are right...I could be anybody.....SO WHAT! Does MAAC have enemies or competition or something to be afraid of? And as far as privacy legislation goes, it does not affect information not linked to a specific individual, i.e. statistics, percentages etc are not covered under the act. Average member age for last 10 yrs. would be a start. Oh yeah, I forgot....some people may not have supplied their age...well what about those who did.

Britbrat, this is the perfect example of what I meant before when I talked about "things which don't work, we tried it": Usually they were implemented poorly by people who doubted the idea's validity. so where lies the problem, in the idea or the executuion? This of course is an important distinction. It's kinda like how here you just said how impossible it would be to provide the info, but apparently your reasons lack fortitude.....I was able to counter quite easily...

WHO COUNTERS THE NAYSAYERS IN MAAC?

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/20/2005 4:31:55 AM   
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Well since you asked , I am a small business owner in a very seasonal line of work. Although this allows me much freedom through much of the year, there is a 2-4 month stretch where I often don't even have time to check my email let alone these forums. For this reason I was, in the past, unable to properly honour my commitment whrn I did serve as a communications liason for a local R/c car racing club. Now you know!!




If my math is correct that leaves you 8-10 months of the year that you have at least some time to help forge MAAC into your vision....thats more time than most have I would say




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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/20/2005 5:21:57 AM   
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Bring your badge & we'll speed off for some coffee -- maybe pick off a few slow drivers & register 'em real good.



...............old guys driving fast is usually not a good idea.

ps: Are you to the point you pull your pants up over your navel yet?

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/20/2005 12:43:11 PM   
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When Dave set to correct an improper vote by the Board, it was because that vote had contravened our constitution and bylaws and was thus illegal. When the Board realized the negative connotations connected to what they had previously voted, they were quick to reverse the decision.


The improper vote was 9 to 4 while I was in the zone rep job for a month ( I volunteered to do it as no one esle wanted to do it) the other 9 had been on the board for a few years so the vote was quite sound.

Amazing that over 2/3 of the board decided to vote "improper". the vote was reversed after a few months ( not "quickly" after an immense pressure tactics by Mr. Larkin.

While Mr. Larkin spent $1600.00 unathorized by the board to pressure the board to change this improper vote, the remaining board members spent $0.00

CAC would do the Nats for $2000 that they made at Nats 2005.

In the fall of 1995 Aero Club wanted MAAC to $40,000 in fees, maac president Rick Reid said no, the other MAAC member (s) nominated to the ACC wanted to pay this amount.

Rick Reid said no, called a vote of the board, the board voted 9 to 4 to support Rick Reid. Rick Reid proposed a plan to work with the ACC. Mr. Larkin did not like the majority vote or the Rick Reid plan and started his campaign againt the majority board vote.


At the 1996 MAAC agm, the board members to show their apprecaition of Dave's tactics on the "improper ACC vote" voted against the nomination of Mr. Larkin for MAAC executive and a few minutes later again voted against the nomination of Mr. Larkin for MAAC vp, in essence a huge rejection of Mr. Larkin by the majority of the board.

Even "idiot" Kenair could have made it to the executive as it was anybody but Dave at that AGM..

The Piece de la resistance was the Sunday open 96 AGM where the "cruxification" of Rick Reid" took place, I can't remember who the sargeant of arms was but his biased actions were a ................. we'll some will never forget.

After this, the ACC fee is now $16,000 annually, CAC would do the Nats for $2000 that they made at Nats 2005.

So when the skewering of Wayne Bransfeld began I was not suprised at the start or at the outcome, the precendent was set.


There is no slamming or bammin, just setting the record straight at the 1996 agm as I was there.

What was sown has now come to bear..................

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/20/2005 1:23:29 PM   
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Bring your badge & we'll speed off for some coffee -- maybe pick off a few slow drivers & register 'em real good.



...............old guys driving fast is usually not a good idea.

ps: Are you to the point you pull your pants up over your navel yet?


I promise not to exceed 220. What navel?

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/20/2005 1:45:40 PM   
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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/20/2005 2:33:52 PM   
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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/20/2005 2:37:32 PM   
DSLarkin


 

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In the fall of 1995 Aero Club wanted MAAC to $40,000 in fees, maac president Rick Reid said no, the other MAAC member (s) nominated to the ACC wanted to pay this amount.


Again deliberate misrepresentation of the facts. Apart from Rick, no other MAAC members were nominated to the ACC, though Jack Humphreys was then the Aero Club VP. All that happened was that the Federal Government had withdrawn its contribution to the funding of the Aero Club. It is not a question of demonizing the Aero Club, which is nothing more than an association of the various Canadian aerosport organizations acting as Canada's national aero club. So the issue was how to make up the missing funds. Bear in mind that 75% of the membership of the Aero Club are our MAAC members and consequently we have far and away the biggest voting block on the Aero Club Board. I'm sure some people would have been happy to saddle MAAC with all the extra costs, but it was just a matter of working out between the various associations how to handle the new fee structure. None of these associations had been consulting on how to solve the problem, so no progress was being made. Rick's approach was first to offer to pay the Aero Club a horrendous amount to run our FAI programme (don't ask me why, it made no sense to me) and then he withdrew MAAC from the Aero Club (which was a move that was not pre-authorized by the Board and which was not legal according to MAAC's constitution).

But the whole point is that a new and fair fee structure was not hard to develop once someone put some effort into getting discussions going between the associations. If Rick had done that, I'm sure he could have worked it all out too. Part of the solution was to increase the cost to FAI competitors by raising the cost of a FAI sporting licence.

Since then there has been a further adjustment in the methodology to set the fees, thanks to Colin Campbell and Richard Barlow, which effectively reduced MAAC's share, and then there was the international negotiation by Bob Clipsham to bring the FAI fees down, which reduced our Aero Club fees further.

You may not like the truth, Ken, but that doesn't give you the licence to distort it.


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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/20/2005 2:55:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dave, even if we listen to the Mulroney tapes on cbc over and over again - does one ever know what the truth really is.
Is there three sides to the truth also?

I too support the ACC but are we finding the ACC a service that fewer and fewer members need today. sometime we have to look reality in the eye as painful is it may be.

Kenair makes a point that the board must work as a team, this message seems to have reached the current maac board, except perhaps for one.

MAAC and ACC will be one of those maac history lessons that will be played over and over again for all of us to learn from, each point of view is valid and appreciated, many years later, members will say no one was right, no one was wrong.

keep up the good work!

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/20/2005 4:14:09 PM   
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I too support the ACC but are we finding the ACC a service that fewer and fewer members need today


Are we? If I were a politician I would insinuate that stagnant or declining MAAC membership combined with the appearance and participation in new FAI categories would indicate an upward trend in value for ACC monies.... if I were a politician...

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/20/2005 5:02:57 PM   
r/cnerd



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Well nerd, I'm glad that you're here to save us, and I might add that it is so refreshing to see a modest genius at work. I do believe that a new faith is born -- The Church of the Hypothetical Imperative -- complete with Messiah.



very creative insult! but what about the issues? see next post:

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/20/2005 5:03:58 PM   
r/cnerd



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ORIGINAL: r/cnerd

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ORIGINAL: can773

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ORIGINAL: britbrat


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ORIGINAL: r/cnerd


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ORIGINAL: britbrat

Why would MAAC release confidential information to you, particularly on a public forum?



Well excuuuse me!

I thought MAAC was a club, I was a member (not that kind of member!) and this would be public info anyways....I stand corrected...I think. So it's a big secret then? Why's that?


For starters -- nobody knows who you are -- you could be anybody, from anywhere, with any motive.

Secondly, while MAAC has a slot on the membership form for date of birth, questions of a personal nature do not have to be answered. Furthermore, it is unlawfull to distribute confidential personal information without specific individual authorization of the member(s) involved.

Which brings us the the anonymous "global" information that you seek -- I think that MAAC would have to request authorization from the collective membership to distributed that information outside of MAAC itself.


Probably quite true....one year when preparing our solicitation letters for the F3A team I called the head office and asked for an excel sheet of club listings that would save me a lot of work of inputting them myself. Linda indicated that they could not provide me a file like that, even though club listings are on the website.

My guess for the average age would put it 40-50 ish. I am 28 and am very routinely one of the youngest (although rarely the youngest) at many events I attend each year.....although I have been at it for 16 years so maybe I am an oldtimer as well.

R/cnerd - for someone who cant commit to a committee (I am on 3 its not a big commitement) for lack of time you sure find a lot of time to post on RCU.



Well since you asked , I am a small business owner in a very seasonal line of work. Although this allows me much freedom through much of the year, there is a 2-4 month stretch where I often don't even have time to check my email let alone these forums. For this reason I was, in the past, unable to properly honour my commitment whrn I did serve as a communications liason for a local R/c car racing club. Now you know!!

And britbrat, you are right...I could be anybody.....SO WHAT! Does MAAC have enemies or competition or something to be afraid of? And as far as privacy legislation goes, it does not affect information not linked to a specific individual, i.e. statistics, percentages etc are not covered under the act. Average member age for last 10 yrs. would be a start. Oh yeah, I forgot....some people may not have supplied their age...well what about those who did.

Britbrat, this is the perfect example of what I meant before when I talked about "things which don't work, we tried it": Usually they were implemented poorly by people who doubted the idea's validity. so where lies the problem, in the idea or the executuion? This of course is an important distinction. It's kinda like how here you just said how impossible it would be to provide the info, but apparently your reasons lack fortitude.....I was able to counter quite easily...

WHO COUNTERS THE NAYSAYERS IN MAAC?



see above for actual questions, concerns etc....

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/20/2005 6:29:19 PM