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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/20/2005 9:00:59 PM

Jim_McIntyre

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I can't imagine a 500% increase in Scotiabank sales.....
I can imagine a 500% increase in my consulting companies sales....

It's all a matter of scale my friend.

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/20/2005 9:41:54 PM

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In the time in which I have been ACC Rep -coming up to three years now. The subject of fees has not come up at all except in respect of the overall reduction caused by the cutting of the ACC budget in response to the revision of the FAI national fee structure.

Before that, Richard is your best source, but I recall that at the time of the last revision a new formula was proposed which was not unfavourable to MAAC.

I have no idea where the $40K came from. The total ACC budget is around that! Somebody likes to write pure fiction. And certainly somebody enjoys spreading absolute nonsense.

My apologies if I've mixed up the numbers with that "past ACC" disucussion. Regardless, I'm now very interested in checking back in my email bank to find out where that memory came from. If my brain is fogging or if I have a crappy source, I'd like to know.

I guess I'd better hunt down copies of the ACC minutes to satisfy my own curiosity.

..........man, are we off in all directions on this one!

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/20/2005 10:58:05 PM

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I can't imagine a 500% increase in Scotiabank sales.....
I can imagine a 500% increase in my consulting companies sales....
It's all a matter of scale my friend.

True but if you listened to a word I've been saying, one of my repeated assertions is that there is a vast, untapped market segment that maac doesn't appeal to. My business may not have the same dynamics as Scotiabank, but I kinda doubt maac does either.
I truly believe MAAC has less than 10% of Canadian flyers in it's membership, and that there is a distinct possibility that MAAC wil suffer a membership crisis as the respected elder modelers age. You can take this as an attack (as you have done) but I would hope that you see that these issues cocern me because I truly care about the future of R/C flying. I think that the best thing that could happen to our hobby would be for it to become mainstream. Imagine if we had the fan base of this stange hobby called "golf" how many flying sites we could choose from. Heck we could even have caddies...hot ones....no wait that's going too far....but seriously, I think that kind of growth is possible in our hobby. There is, however upheaval and change in any revolution....

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/20/2005 11:44:06 PM

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I truly believe MAAC has less than 10% of Canadian flyers in it's membership...

Based on what?
Most of the retailers I have dealt with in Canada palace the figure closer to 40% to 50% are MAAC members, although I know the assocation thinks closer to 80% ... optimistically.
MAAC sees about 2,000 new members each year ... over 50,000 have joined the association since I first joined. The first issue to address is better retention for long term mebmbers ... new members that leave are an expensive member to have. (In magazine sales, subscription sales typically don't break even until the third year)

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/21/2005 1:28:58 PM

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.... one of my repeated assertions is that there is a vast, untapped market segment that maac doesn't appeal to.

And likely never will. It's not sound economics to try to appeal to all consumers, you must choose your demographic wisely.

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I truly believe MAAC has less than 10% of Canadian flyers in it's membership, and that there is a distinct possibility that MAAC wil suffer a membership crisis as the respected elder modelers age.

It's those kind of statements you have to back up with some facts before you will have any credibility. I live in one of the most populace areas in Canada and am very active in the modelling community. There are very few hobby shops in Southern Ontario that aren't on my speed dial and won't open the door after hours if I call. Given that background, I simply don't see anything supporting your claims....

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ORIGINAL: r/cnerd
You can take this as an attack (as you have done)

Wrong again, the only attack I've seen is your characterization of those who have already tested some of your ideas....

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ORIGINAL: r/cnerd
but I would hope that you see that these issues cocern me because I truly care about the future of R/C flying. I think that the best thing that could happen to our hobby would be for it to become mainstream. Imagine if we had the fan base of this stange hobby called "golf" how many flying sites we could choose from. Heck we could even have caddies...hot ones....no wait that's going too far....but seriously, I think that kind of growth is possible in our hobby. There is, however upheaval and change in any revolution....

Nice fantasy. I'm more of a technical person than a visionary so, that may be at the root of our inability to communicate, you strike me as more of an artsy type and I've never had much success in communicating with that particular demographic. I'm afraid I have little faith of ever seeing the day where RC challenged golf, I just think it takes a rather peculiar personality mix to create a dedicated modeller....

I am glad that you're concerned though....please feel free to try to make you fantasy a reality, I certainly won't stand in your way... unless your efforts begine to detrimentally impact the hobby I enjoy in my reality.

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/21/2005 2:20:15 PM

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Nice fantasy. I'm more of a technical person than a visionary so, that may be at the root of our inability to communicate, you strike me as more of an artsy type and I've never had much success in communicating with that particular demographic. I'm afraid I have little faith of ever seeing the day where RC challenged golf, I just think it takes a rather peculiar personality mix to create a dedicated modeller....

I am glad that you're concerned though....please feel free to try to make you fantasy a reality, I certainly won't stand in your way... unless your efforts begine to detrimentally impact the hobby I enjoy in my reality.

ROFLMAO

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/21/2005 5:15:14 PM

reo

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ORIGINAL: Morison

quote:

ORIGINAL: r/cnerd
I truly believe MAAC has less than 10% of Canadian flyers in it's membership...

Based on what?
Most of the retailers I have dealt with in Canada palace the figure closer to 40% to 50% are MAAC members, although I know the assocation thinks closer to 80% ... optimistically.
MAAC sees about 2,000 new members each year ... over 50,000 have joined the association since I first joined. The first issue to address is better retention for long term mebmbers ... new members that leave are an expensive member to have. (In magazine sales, subscription sales typically don't break even until the third year)

80% may have been an accurate figure 25 years ago, I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume that this is the case today....that said, the 10% comment is not realistic either......

Ron

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/21/2005 5:19:54 PM

reo

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4 pages and counting....again...and this is only one thread of many .......all this discussion is cutting into building time, stop it already!!...Ron

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/22/2005 12:49:00 AM

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I think we are pretty safe, and Dave Larkin is well aware of this.

What the heck is pretty safe mean, especially when the maac rep sided with the ACC instead of MAAC.

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/22/2005 3:41:45 AM

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What the heck is pretty safe mean, especially when the maac rep sided with the ACC instead of MAAC.

I don't know what you are talking about. I have never sided with the ACC against MAAC. Somebody has been feeding you outright lies. But remember that 75% of the ACC membership are MAAC members. If we demonize the ACC, we are demonizing ourselves.

The ACC is nothing more or less than an association of Canadian aerosport groups. It performs a function that assists us and others. The people involved are almost all volunteers.

As you can't substantiate it, I would appreciate it if you would withdraw your accusation.

Frankly don't believe anything Ken Kalynuk or Marc Sharpe say about the Aero Club. They only provide misinformation. Ken has an axe to grind - he does not believe MAAC should be involved in international competition and opposes any link with the FAI.

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/22/2005 4:52:31 AM

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Frankly don't believe anything Ken Kalynuk or Marc Sharpe say about the Aero Club. They only provide misinformation.

Quite Frankly Mr. Larkin, you can go to hell.

I haven't put anything down here about You or about the Aero Club that warrants a blanket attack like that. You have a beef with Ken, deal with it. Your credibility has taken a big hit with Mr Lebel's post on the other thread and I notice you haven't bothered to respond to that. Nor, have you responded to a ligitimate debate issue I posed on that thread, instead deciding to go for a personal offensive because you don't like the line of questioning? It's cowardly.

Let me tell you another thing, I will track down the minutes of the ACC meeting a couple years back when you were in attendance with then President Bransfield and I will at first opportunity speak directly to Mr Bransfield and I will find out the facts of any motion that had MAAC paying anything more than the established formula and where you stood on any such motion. Furthermore, I will be more than happy to post those findings and retract anything that I have said that contradicts anything I have posted.

Your ongoing judgemental attitude toward many people you have decided were not "up to the job" is quite revealing.

Merry Christmas.

XO

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/22/2005 12:34:04 PM

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Frankly don't believe anything Ken Kalynuk or Marc Sharpe say about the Aero Club. They only provide misinformation. Ken has an axe to grind - he does not believe MAAC should be involved in international competition and opposes any link with the FAI.

more typical spin!

I fully support all competition in maac, should we be funding 50% of the ACC budget at MAAC expense for 200 or so FAI MAAC competitors.

There are no axes to grind, we are trying to debate the point of views that has been put on the web on the Rick Rick - ACC - Dave Larkin era in MAAC.

As more of the former board members come on line, like Louis Lebel, all of the information will be presented and current maac members can judged for themselves whether the action taken by Mr. Larkin outside the board and undermine the maac president Rick Reid were in the best interests of maac or done for the best interest of the Aero Club of Canada or both! Time will tell.

I donot support personal attacks on the web, most of us here are debating current and past issues on maac.

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/22/2005 1:19:47 PM

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Just wanted to point out that the unattributed quote in your reply to my message is not something I wrote.

Now that that's cleared up, we now return you to CPAC.

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/22/2005 1:33:19 PM

DSLarkin

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By all means track down the ACC minutes. I was there. As I've said before, the suggestion that MAAC should be expected to pay $40K in fees is ridiculous as the ACC total budget is usually in the $40-45K range.

The reason I haven't responded to Louis' post is because I haven't seen it. But remember - I proposed Louis for the MAAC Executive. Subsequently I regretted this as during the ACC crisis, he absolutely refused to take any constructive part saying that he would wait and see how it turned out.

Any time I have provided you with information, and accurate information, you have always rejected it. Usually the response has been "That's not what I want to hear" or "That's not what my people want to hear". You have frequently been insulting to me in correspondence, implying that because I am older than you I'm not relevant. I keep my email files too.

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RE: Ex-Prez sighting - 12/22/2005 3:19:29 PM