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RE: Draganflyer Navigation Lighting Systems - 3/7/2007 1:44:38 PM   
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I briefly played with the notion of using cold cathode, but decided that the battery drain would probably kill off my flying time substantially on a regular DF

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RE: Draganflyer Navigation Lighting Systems - 3/7/2007 8:15:04 PM   
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xrayjb2, is a cathode light like a neon light?

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RE: Draganflyer Navigation Lighting Systems - 3/7/2007 11:59:17 PM   
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Hey sky High - yeah a Cold cathode is a type of neon, the ones i've seen are nice and skinny (low profile) and you can get them in 4", 6" 12" etc - usually they come with the inverter to up the volts.


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RE: Draganflyer Navigation Lighting Systems - 3/8/2007 1:08:12 AM   
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Okay, well is that what the light bars are in this post?

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RE: Draganflyer Navigation Lighting Systems - 3/8/2007 2:35:51 AM   
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Cold cathodes are like miniature flourescent tubes, with a gas inside a glass tube, and inner wall of glass coated with a particular phosphor, for different wavelength of light output. They are different from regular flourescent bulbs, in that there is no lag with powering up, and they come on full brightness instantaneously. I'm not sure if the above post is cold cathode; that would be an awfully large number of tubes, and to my knowledge there are only dual inverters, not quadruple, etc. each inverter weighs several ounces, and if you are flying with 5, 6 or more inverters, that would be an awfully large amount of weight.

I can tell you also that in playing with the 4 one foot long CC's that I am going to use, they are EXTREMELY bright. If I turn off all of the lights in the bedroom and power up all four with lithium batteries, it lights up the entire room, almost as much as a 45 watt incadescent lamp. It is so bright that I believe when these are connected to the model, they are going to light the whole thing up like daylight! The photo does not give that impression to me. My best guess is that those are glow sticks, all activated at once.


I suffered a horrible crash with my X-Pro. Mike essentially rebuilt the ENTIRE thing with brand new parts. Not one piece escaped damaged. He is shipping the new unit to me today, but probably won't arrive here in Tucson until Monday or possibly Tuesday. Trust me, when I get it, I will assemble the the cold cathode lighting system on it, and you'll see just how bright these things are!

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RE: Draganflyer Navigation Lighting Systems - 3/11/2007 2:44:07 AM   
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jkantiques,

Wow, that is cool! I think you DESERVE UFO calls for that one! Alas, I have nothing to post...Not yet.


I've continued my work with the cold cathodes. They do not draw the 10 mA as advertised. It is more on the order of 600 mA. In addition, connecting it to the standard X-Pro battery (16 volts when fully charged), ramps up the current even more, and in about 5 minutes the inverters become dangerously hot. The tubes glow amazingly bright, but it is too bright, as the heat glue holding them in place melted. I have had success adding two 10 watt, 10 ohm resistors in parallel for total resistance of 5 ohms. They get hot, but not hot enough to melt anything (but hot enough to scald the skin in 2 seconds). With resistors in place, the inverters barely get warm, and the lights are still overdriven a bit, but not enough to cause inverter heat issues (though ultimately I'm sure it will shorten lifespan). The problem is the extra current draw, which is not reduced but is resisted out as heat. I am probably pulling 8.5 watts of power (resistors and all), to power these four tubes by the flyer battery. That, plus the 1/2 pound weight, is going to shorten runtime to, I'm guessing around 11 minutes. The alternative is the smallest 12 volt pack available, which is a single 9 volt (lithium) and a single 123a batttery, wired in series. I conducted a runtime experiment with four 123a's in series (total voltage 12, total mah, 1300), and they ran the tubes pretty bright for 30 minutes, then gradually dimmed until a total runtime of 1 hour, 45 minutes, at which time the tubes stopped "filling" the entire length with light, and that is when I stopped the experiment.
A lithium 9 volt and a 123a together is lighter than four 123 a's, and weighs about 1.8 ounces, so with these on board, total payload is about 9 ounces, and runtime should be about 18 minutes. Of course, I have an additional 32 LED circular strobe array, which requires an additional 9 volt (1.2 ounces). Grand total of the payload of lights, with separate battery packs, is 11 ounces.
There is another option for wiring these lights to the main battery pack; adding a DC/DC converter, and scaling down the voltage to the lights from 16 to 12 volts. That adds more expense, more weight, and I really don't even know how to do that (I'm a doctor, not an electrician).
My rebuilt flyer shipped out Thursday, and will probably arrive by Tuesday. No matter how short the runtime, photos will be coming, as promised. I am going to try initially attaching the lights hooked to battery with red hot resistor sinked to an aluminum riser. If the runtime is indeed only ten minutes, I am probably going to permanently revert to the 9v 3v setup.


John

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RE: Draganflyer Navigation Lighting Systems - 3/19/2007 5:20:21 AM   
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Hey Guys,

Anyone still following this thread?



I had several setbacks this weekend, no photos as I had hoped by this time. There were some thermal leveling issues with my x-pro, but those are fixed. I am still waiting on a single red replacement cold cathode tube (accidentally stepped on it last week). I did BRIEFLY fly it in the house with the green blue and purple tubes though, and it looked awesome. I'm not taking or posting any photos until the full complement of lights is in place.


John

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RE: Draganflyer Navigation Lighting Systems - 3/19/2007 5:35:46 AM   
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Hey xrayjb2. I flew my DF UFO with the LED tube lights tonight. I was cruising around at around 150 ft.. They're the ones in this post (#102). I've got to get some video of it flying with these lights soon. I would definitely like to see pictures and especially video of that X-Pro with all of those lights on it.

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RE: Draganflyer Navigation Lighting Systems - 3/19/2007 5:53:05 AM   
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SkyHigh,

Yes, I've seen that, and they look really neat. The plastic tubes add a neon effect. I can tell you that with all the lights off in the house, even with only three cold cathodes it lights up the whole room like some sort of amusement park ride. Photos will be coming in the near future. I hate waiting too.

John

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RE: Draganflyer Navigation Lighting Systems - 3/24/2007 12:37:52 AM   
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A little preview of what's to come,

This photo was taken in my younger daughter's bedroom (darkest in the house right now). All four cold cathodes in place. Extremely bright, could use the x-pro in a pinch for a camp lantern.

John

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RE: Draganflyer Navigation Lighting Systems - 3/24/2007 1:09:05 AM   
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That thing looks like a ride at the fair. I hope I'm tall enough to ride that ride.

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RE: Draganflyer Navigation Lighting Systems - 3/24/2007 6:13:37 AM   
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Just in case anyone doesn't believe this thing will fly; just finished a 10 minute hover in the kitchen with the lights off. It lit up the entire room.

John

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RE: Draganflyer Navigation Lighting Systems - 3/24/2007 6:20:25 AM   
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I thought I would show a "close up" of all the equipment required to run these neon tube. The blue plastic boxes are the housing for the inverters. Each is dual, so I have to have two for 4 tubes (too bad they don't make a quadruple). A lot of wires running everywhere underneath. Each tube is velcroed on, plus lock tied on both ends. I cut grooves in the acrylic to the ties do not slip off. There are two ceramic resistors tied to the underbelly of the carbon baseplate, to remove some of the excess current. I have my old, beat up draganfly IV next to it for a size comparison. All of the equipment I'm using right now is about 8 ounces in weight. I tried the 32 LED strobe underneath, but it is so completely overpowered by the cold cathode tubes, it washes out and is hardly noticable.

John

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RE: Draganflyer Navigation Lighting Systems - 3/24/2007 8:30:01 PM   
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Well I guess nobody is really following this thread. I thought those photos would have generated many comments. I extended the hover to 18 minutes, and still no signs of the battery drain. It seems as though this will not affect my runtime appreciably. I would expect a 20 minute flight with a normal 1/2 pound payload. Tonight the first outdoor flight with thermal leveling. We will have a crowd, for sure.

John

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RE: Draganflyer Navigation Lighting Systems - 3/25/2007 12:43:12 AM