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RE: AERO CLUB of CANADA - 1/16/2006 5:17:27 PM

extra300xs

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Interesting you mention "FAI Sporting License", why doesn't MAAC offer a separate "license", thus paying ACC only what they deserve. After all it is not up to MAAC members to keep that organization (ACC) afloat.

In addition, down to only 19 from 30. You are missing one of the "probable" and most obvious causes, that is simply lack of interest in legacy SIGs. When are the legacy members going to realize that this hobby has and is changing. The days of competion as it was years ago is over, it is a sunset SIG.

I've seen countless times commented on the forums that the monies received from MAAC to subsidize member's FAI SIG, have NEVER made the difference whether or not they attend, that they'd go anyways. Their comments have always been its been its "nice" to get the money.

MAAC = IBM. A thought for the legacy members, where do you think IBM would be if it had the attitude of the handful of MAAC legacy members that continue to be the driving force for continued support of ACC/FAI in the financial manner it has been,

MAAC = NASCAR. Another thought for the legacy members, where do you think NASCAR would be if it the handful of MAAC legacy members that continue to be the driving force for continued support of ACC/FAI in the financial manner it has been.

But that's just the opinion this 1000lb gorilla.

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RE: AERO CLUB of CANADA - 1/16/2006 5:40:07 PM

gingertoad

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quote:

Interesting you mention "FAI Sporting License", why doesn't MAAC offer a separate "license", thus paying ACC only what they deserve. After all it is not up to MAAC members to keep that organization (ACC) afloat.

We have been down that route many times before. Please read back through the countless times where it has been explained by knowledgeable people why this will not work

quote:

I've seen countless times commented on the forums that the monies received from MAAC to subsidize member's FAI SIG, have NEVER made the difference whether or not they attend, that they'd go anyways. Their comments have always been its been its "nice" to get the money.

Again you are missing the point. The amount of subsidy that MAAC provides to FAI flyers is minimal, but that is not the issue being debated. The fact is that if MAAC does not belong to FAI via ACC, NO CANADIAN FLYER WILL BE ALLOWED TO COMPETE. Those are the rules and that is why countries from all over this planet do belong to FAI.

What you are arguing for would eliminate the right for Canadians to compete. PERIOD.

Another stretched figure concerns the number of FAI participants. There are many supporters, managers, and helpers who also attend (paying for their own sporting licences) and you are also ignoring those that try for team places and do not qualify.

Richard Barlow

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RE: AERO CLUB of CANADA - 1/16/2006 5:55:51 PM

Ed Smith

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quote:

Interesting you mention "FAI Sporting License", why doesn't MAAC offer a separate "license", thus paying ACC only what they deserve. After all it is not up to MAAC members to keep that organization (ACC) afloat.

Truly, I would like nothing more than to be able to purchase my FAI licence and compete in FAI events outside of the MAAC umbrella. Then I would no longer have to listen to this constant, idiotic, misinformed whining. from selfish, negative and unknowledgeable people.

Ed S

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RE: AERO CLUB of CANADA - 1/16/2006 6:35:51 PM

can773

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ed Smith

quote:

Interesting you mention "FAI Sporting License", why doesn't MAAC offer a separate "license", thus paying ACC only what they deserve. After all it is not up to MAAC members to keep that organization (ACC) afloat.

Truly, I would like nothing more than to be able to purchase my FAI licence and compete in FAI events outside of the MAAC umbrella. Then I would no longer have to listen to this constant, idiotic, misinformed whining. from selfish, negative and unknowledgeable people.

Ed S

ditto

Then I would join the AMA....and use the reciprocal insurance agreement to compete and fly in Canada....then I would not have to listen to anything MAAC...and they could do as they please.

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RE: AERO CLUB of CANADA - 1/16/2006 6:38:40 PM

britbrat

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This whole thread is so revealing & so sickening. The level of childish selfishness displayed by particular individuals is truly appalling. "I can't/won't/don't want to do it so, no one else should use my $1 so that they can do it". There are some quite unbelievable AH's in this world.

I have no problem with struggling to get the best deal (we should), but to continue with this willfully duplicitous rabble-rousing in an attempt to stir a groundswell of righteous indignation over the "squandering of a fortune" on international competition, is quite nauseatingly beyond belief. This $hit has to be an elaborate troll -- no one can actually be that stupid, selfish, or self-serving.

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RE: AERO CLUB of CANADA - 1/16/2006 7:00:58 PM

gingertoad

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Then I would join the AMA....and use the reciprocal insurance agreement to compete and fly in Canada....then I would not have to listen to anything MAAC...and they could do as they please.

Chad do not even think of going there!!!

The so-called reciprocal agreement with AMA with regard to insurance merely allows us to fly in the USA using OUR OWN MAAC INSURANCE COVERAGE. American flyers in Canada ARE covered by MAAC but the reverse is not true. We have by far the better and stronger policy. Canadians are covered world wide by MAAC's policy.

A Canadian who joins AMA CANNOT use AMA insurance in this country; besides which, their coverage is secondary whilst ours is primary. The AMA insurance only kicks in for Americans after all other insurance avenues are exhausted.

An American CANNOT use MAAC coverage in place of AMA coverage in the United States. A Canadian CANNOT use AMA coverage in place of MAAC coverage in Canada.

Can we get over this idiocy once and for all.

MAAC governs model aviation in Canada, for and by Canadians. We have the right to compete internationally, nationally and to fly for fun. We are fully insured, we have great communication within our organization which is patiently run by dedicated modellers for no pay or personal gain. All that any of them want to see is a better MAAC. Any that feel otherwise, or have radical personal agendas, do not last long.

What I would dearly like to see is a thread dedicated to thanking Carl Layden for an outstanding job of obeying the rules, serving the organization and refusing to buckle under pressure. We owe that man a lot.

Richard Barlow

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RE: AERO CLUB of CANADA - 1/16/2006 7:06:59 PM

DSLarkin

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quote:

Interesting you mention "FAI Sporting License", why doesn't MAAC offer a separate "license", thus paying ACC only what they deserve. After all it is not up to MAAC members to keep that organization (ACC) afloat.

What on earth for? A MAAC non-FAI Sporting licence wouldn't be any use - it wouldn't be accepted by the FAI. And it is up to MAAC members to keep the ACC afloat. MAAC has a responsibility to make it possible for Canadians to compete in the World Championship events. This has to be done through a national aero club. MAAC joined with the other aerosport organisations to form such a club when we no longer had one and we needed one.

ACC isn't a 'they' it is an 'us'. We are the majority of the membership (12,731 out of 15,758 in 2003) and need the ACC as much as any of the other aerosport organisations. Modellers tend to have the image of the Aero Club of Canada as a brownstone building in downtown Toronto with a large library filled with books and comfortable leather chairs with waiters padding to and fro serving drinks. 'Taint like that. Most full-size aerosport organisations are just as cash-strapped as MAAC, some even more so. And most of their members are just plain ordinary aviation enthusiasts, indistinguishable from MAAC members. I believe we used to issue ACC decals with the MAAC decals at one time. Perhaps we should continue to do this.

< Message edited by DSLarkin -- 1/16/2006 7:12:41 PM >

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RE: AERO CLUB of CANADA - 1/16/2006 7:15:29 PM

j79

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quote:

This whole thread is so revealing & so sickening.

I have to agree, trying to defend spending $16,000 so a few guys can fly at a contest while we spend almost nothing promoting the hobby just makes me so sick.
If it isn't the FAI or the Aero Club of Canada or some one doing the cup of coffee song and dance or the MAAC FAI competitors complaining about their MAAC funding decreasing even when we know they are not the best and no one else from MAAC gets any money to attend events, it is just getting to much to handle.

I need a fun organization and not some toadies living their legacy and dreams of being a toy airplane champ.
I agreee with you a 100%.

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RE: AERO CLUB of CANADA - 1/16/2006 7:26:04 PM

can773

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quote:

ORIGINAL: j79

quote:

This whole thread is so revealing & so sickening.

I have to agree, trying to defend spending $16,000 so a few guys can fly at a contest while we spend almost nothing promoting the hobby just makes me so sick.
If it isn't the FAI or the Aero Club of Canada or some one doing the cup of coffee song and dance or the MAAC FAI competitors complaining about their MAAC funding decreasing even when we know they are not the best and no one else from MAAC gets any money to attend events, it is just getting to much to handle.

I need a fun organization and not some toadies living their legacy and dreams of being a toy airplane champ.
I agreee with you a 100%.

Ken you should really go back to using your Kenair username

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RE: AERO CLUB of CANADA - 1/16/2006 7:27:12 PM

can773

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ORIGINAL: gingertoad

quote:

Then I would join the AMA....and use the reciprocal insurance agreement to compete and fly in Canada....then I would not have to listen to anything MAAC...and they could do as they please.

Chad do not even think of going there!!!

The so-called reciprocal agreement with AMA with regard to insurance merely allows us to fly in the USA using OUR OWN MAAC INSURANCE COVERAGE. American flyers in Canada ARE covered by MAAC but the reverse is not true. We have by far the better and stronger policy. Canadians are covered world wide by MAAC's policy.

A Canadian who joins AMA CANNOT use AMA insurance in this country; besides which, their coverage is secondary whilst ours is primary. The AMA insurance only kicks in for Americans after all other insurance avenues are exhausted.

An American CANNOT use MAAC coverage in place of AMA coverage in the United States. A Canadian CANNOT use AMA coverage in place of MAAC coverage in Canada.

Can we get over this idiocy once and for all.

MAAC governs model aviation in Canada, for and by Canadians. We have the right to compete internationally, nationally and to fly for fun. We are fully insured, we have great communication within our organization which is patiently run by dedicated modellers for no pay or personal gain. All that any of them want to see is a better MAAC. Any that feel otherwise, or have radical personal agendas, do not last long.

What I would dearly like to see is a thread dedicated to thanking Carl Layden for an outstanding job of obeying the rules, serving the organization and refusing to buckle under pressure. We owe that man a lot.

Richard Barlow

Oh well....there goes my master plan

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RE: AERO CLUB of CANADA - 1/16/2006 7:45:17 PM

Jim_McIntyre

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quote:

ORIGINAL: j79
... or the MAAC FAI competitors complaining about their MAAC funding decreasing ...

The only one I've seen/heard complaining is you Ken/j79 etc.

quote:

ORIGINAL: j79
...even when we know they are not the best...

Oh we do do we? I guess that's why we have qualifiers, to ensure we don't have the best representation eh? If you think you can compete at this level ... PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

quote:

ORIGINAL: j79
... and no one else from MAAC gets any money to attend events, it is just getting to much to handle.

Oh I get it, Kenny's upset because no one will sponsor his trip to a funfly where he can punch holes with his latest ARF and munch some tube steaks and brag about the low pass his buddy caught on camera....

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RE: AERO CLUB of CANADA - 1/16/2006 9:24:46 PM

DSLarkin

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Isn't it typical that Kenny ignores the fact that we have had two World Champions? Also that he doesn't want MAAC to support any SIG but his own? And that he doesn't dare use his own name but has a bunch of pseudonyms to try and suggest that his notions have more support than in fact they have?

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RE: AERO CLUB of CANADA - 1/17/2006 12:32:16 AM

ronnieo1

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Ken is a World Champion himself..and we all know what in..........

Chad...you could join AMA and then come back to Canada to fly without MAAC...but your first accident comes outta your pocket first, AMA insurance is the SECOND payer, not the first payer as in MAAC. Go for it......being selfish would be the least of your worries.

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RE: AERO CLUB of CANADA - 1/17/2006 2:29:08 AM

can773

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ORIGINAL: ronnieo1

Ken is a World Champion himself..and we all know what in..........

Chad...you could join AMA and then come back to Canada to fly without MAAC...but your first accident comes outta your pocket first, AMA insurance is the SECOND payer, not the first payer as in MAAC. Go for it......being selfish would be the least of your worries.

Thanks for the facts ronnieo....I will be sure to take it under advisement.

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RE: AERO CLUB of CANADA - 1/17/2006 2:55:27 AM