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RE: FAI - 1/3/2006 6:38:11 PM   
can773



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put Canada into the ranks of third world countries



Richard, even some "third world" countries field full teams

The list from the last F3A WC.

Argentina

Brazil

Czech Republic

Germany

Italy

Netherlands

Russia

Spain

Ukraine

Australia

Canada

Denmark

Greece

Japan

New Zealand

San Marino

Suriname

United Kingdom

Austria

Chile

Ecuador

Hong Kong

Korea

Norway

Singapore

Sweden

USA

China

Finland

Ireland

Kuwait

Poland

Slovakia

Switzerland

Belgium

Cyprus

France

Israel

Liechtenstein

Portugal

South Africa

Thailand


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RE: FAI - 1/3/2006 7:19:58 PM   
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Richard, even some "third world" countries field full teams


I stand corrected - I should have said 4th world!!!

By the way, Control Line Combat is a world championship. People lobied for it and got it. If the RC Combat types want to compete on the world stage, lobby for it. That could also go for events like scale aerobatics (but within FAI weight limits)

Instead of ruining things for other people, make them better for your SIG. Of course that means affirmative action, which involves participation and work, so be prepared.

Richard Barlow

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RE: FAI - 1/3/2006 9:16:41 PM   
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As has been said before, if MAAC were to pay based on only our FAI competitors, then so would balooning, parachuting and the rest ... this could put MAAC in an even worse situation as we typically send several teams to championships each year - where the other disciplines don't have as many events to choose from!
We also have the issue of a fairly fixed $40,000 budget for the ACC and boom - MAAC's paying the lions share again!
The biggest problem here is the way the FAI assesses the fees to the countries. This has been an issue for many years, and has been examined by the FAI. I understand that teh formula was revised, but the net change was marginal. I also understand, but would accept being corrected, that the FAI bases their fees, in part, on teh total number of pilots in a country, and would count the COPA members, even though they aren't members of the ACC.

The absurdity of all of this is that in several countries, modelling falls under the national sporting authority, and world level compatitors are funded like an athelete would be. Not only would their competitive costs be covered, but they would recieve a monthly 'income' to allow them some freedom to practice. (I'm not advocating this - just pointing it out)

The short version is that we HAVE negotiated lower fees, we ARE one of the major users of the ACC, re-opening the formula would likely hurt the association. (baloonists pay over $7/member)




You're wasting your time Keith. This has been said over and over and over again & it just doesn't go in -- because they just don't want it to hear it, or they just can't understand it. Repeating the story just brings the same responses again & again.

Too bad. Sooner or later ya just gotta give up on them & let them whine.

Richard's idea about asking the general membership to vote on it at an AZM, or AGM is a good one. An affirmative vote for continued ACC/FAI membership should end the ****ing -- but of course it won't (well maybe Marc will accept it -- he's not stupid -- just stubborn ).



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RE: FAI - 1/3/2006 9:24:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		The question is the value of spending $16,000 for a handful of maac members who may not be the best flyers to particpate in FAI activities.

If we want warm and fuzzy feelings national feelings we can buy Teddy Bears as a much cheaper price.


I keep hearing this whining about maac members questions where their dollars are spent, what is wrong with that?

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RE: FAI - 1/3/2006 9:48:15 PM   
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The question is the value of spending $16,000 for a handful of maac members who may not be the best flyers to particpate in FAI activities.




I can understand the concept of getting the best deal possible under the circumstances extant, but I have absolutely no sympathy for the argument that our FAI competitors somehow don't deserve to be our representatives because some testosterone-soaked bonehead thinks that he might be better. If so, show your stuff & prove that your mouth is connected to your hands, if not your brains.

The question of whether or not they are the best fliers in MAAC is just not relevant -- they are the MAAC fliers who are prepared to actually take part. Hell, on a good day I could whup all of them , but I'm just not prepared to go to the bother of doing it , so they get be the ones who hang their a$$es out in a very public way -- good for them. If & when the general membership votes to stop Canadian modellers from competing internationally, I will agree to that majority decision -- in the meantime I'm happy to see them doing something that I suspect no one else can or will do.


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RE: FAI - 1/4/2006 12:14:08 AM   
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If & when the general membership votes to stop Canadian modellers from competing internationally, I will agree to that majority decision -- in the meantime I'm happy to see them doing something that I suspect no one else can or will do


None wants to stop any one from flying their toy airplanes, if you think their is value then I expect you contribute regularly in a substantial amount to the MAAC fai travel fund, if you dont' then you could be full of fai hot air.

If there is such value in world toy airplane contest then you should be lobbying your local MP for our gov. to send thousands to toy airplane contests around the world.

But they don't and they also cut off the ACC ( a cup of coffee) funding years ago - I wonder why?

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RE: FAI - 1/4/2006 1:07:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		>This has been said over and over and over again & it just doesn't go in -- because they just >don't want it to hear it, or they just can't understand it. Repeating the story just brings the >same responses again & again. Too bad. Sooner or later ya just gotta give up on them & let them whine.

Absolutely correct. Subsequent postings still merely affirm the acute myopia and tunnel vision that some choose to suffer. So be it ....

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RE: FAI - 1/4/2006 2:31:53 AM   
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The absurdity of all of this is that in several countries, modelling falls under the national sporting authority, and world level compatitors are funded like an athelete would be. Not only would their competitive costs be covered, but they would recieve a monthly 'income' to allow them some freedom to practice. (I'm not advocating this - just pointing it out)




.....yeah, that is absurd.

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RE: FAI - 1/4/2006 3:11:51 AM   
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Jeff

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RE: FAI - 1/4/2006 5:31:31 AM   
Morison


 

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ORIGINAL: jhelps

Off hand can anyone answer how many FAI licenses were issued by MAAC in 2005?, 2004?

Jeff


none

FAI sporting licenses are issued by the ACC



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RE: FAI - 1/4/2006 5:32:25 AM   
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As a Canadian citizen, proud of our record, for me the choice is simple. We support Canada and Canadians, we pay what we have to pay and we carry our flag to the contests. A survey held a few years ago showed that a large majority of Canadian modellers felt the same way.

So let us give up on this senseless dialogue. It is up to the members of MAAC as a group to decide whether or not they continue to support Canada's involvement in international competition. If enough people feel strongly enough about the proverbial "cup of coffee" to want to put Canada into the ranks of third world countries, then here is how you do it:

Bring a resolution to your Annual Zone Meeting to the effect that Canada should drop all its ties to ACC and FAI. Run it up the flagpole and let us see if a majority of Canadian modellers salute it.

I will not be holding my breath.

Richard Barlow


You're going to blow a gasket Richard. We need you around so don't get too wound up.

I'm going to have to assume that most are ignoring my line of questioning, wrapping themselves in the flag to avoid thinking or discussing the bigger picture.

Ok, Canada pays their FAI bill so some can compete FAInternationally. (By the By, It's apparent that not all international comp. is FAI)

Again..... $30,000.00+ every year X 100 countries = lots ...... Where does it go. It doesn't go back to us and it doesn't cost over 3 mil a year to keep records (unless it's being managed by our Federal Libs)

Our FAI rep has posted volumes on here about past history, personal and national battles, the fee structure in the ACC. So, how about a volume or two where our Canadian bucks go after it leaves our shores for Europe? Is it not polite to ask? Is it upsetting?

Enough of the "proud Canadian" bunk......... it suggests that anyone who questions or demands more is not "proud", thus silly. I'm getting enough of that BS from Martin. It brings to mind famous quote by Samuel Johnson:

“Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.”

So, can we set the red faces aside and come up with 3 mil bucks worth of value a year for this great country of which we are all proud of?



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RE: FAI - 1/4/2006 8:00:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jhelps

Off hand can anyone answer how many FAI licenses were issued by MAAC in 2005?, 2004?

Jeff


none

FAI sporting licenses are issued by the ACC




Thanks Keith, I guess I wasn't clear though. Article 3f of the constitution states one of MAAC purposes as "(f) To licence model aircraft and fliers thereof for competition in accordance with authority vested in the Model Aeronautics Association of Canada by the Aero Club of Canada." I assumed that someone wishing to compete at an FAI sanctioned event needed the "endorsment" of MAAC. So to rephrase my question do we know how many MAAC members competed in FAI sanction events requiring an FAI sporting license in 2005, 2004?

thanks

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RE: FAI - 1/4/2006 8:21:13 AM   
Morison


 

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Thanks Keith, I guess I wasn't clear though. Article 3f of the constitution states one of MAAC purposes as "(f) To licence model aircraft and fliers thereof for competition in accordance with authority vested in the Model Aeronautics Association of Canada by the Aero Club of Canada."


That section refers to licensing (AKA memberships) of competition within Canada.

I don't know about 2005, but 'even' numbered years have about 25 maac members DIRECTLY involved in international competition. Regularly these teams are supported by others who travel completely on their own dime to the events.
I think 'odd' years have higher participation.

I also fully support the concept of funding being tied to perfomance by the team ... but the last time I was a Team Manager we brought home the individual gold and team silver.

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RE: FAI - 1/4/2006 8:45:12 AM   
jhelps


 

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Seems your sleep habits are like mine

Jeff

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RE: FAI - 1/4/2006 12:25:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jhelps

Off hand can anyone answer how many FAI licenses were issued by MAAC in 2005?, 2004?

Jeff

none

FAI sporting licenses are issued by the ACC