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RE: GWB Signs Law to Allow QQ 2 Fly 4 Team USA - 1/21/2006 2:27:00 PM

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Afganistan was about the "2 buildings falling down". Iraq was the shrub having an inflated view of his role in the world.

Who went to war with Afganistan? Afganistan is now and was then our allies. They gave us a free pass to go kill whomever we wanted with open arms. They also supported us on the was with Iraq.

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Since we now know you support illegals, because it helps you save money, it's no surprise to see you trying to make it seem like no big deal.

I don't support illegals. I just don't support useless "instant fix" tactics to fixing the problem like building a wall or punishing them. Nor would I ever support imposing fines on a company that hires illegals. If you say it's the Preisdents fault for not fixing the problem then why would legitimate corporations pay for his mistake?

If I walk into Canada I get sent back, I don't go to Canadian jail or become a slave on their work farm. And that goes the same for a Canadian that crosses our border.

I support policy to support Mexico. If we help to make Mexico more stable, in the future Mexicans will not have to try to cross a wall to get a job. I guess you've been to Mexico, why would any Mexican want to leave that paradise unless to look for work.

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RE: GWB Signs Law to Allow QQ 2 Fly 4 Team USA - 1/21/2006 2:38:12 PM

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Since we now know you support illegals, because it helps you save money, it's no surprise to see you trying to make it seem like no big deal.
I don't support illegals. I just don't support useless "instant fix" tactics to fixing the problem like building a wall or punishing them. Nor would I ever support imposing fines on a company that hires illegals. If you say it's the Preisdents fault for not fixing the problem then why would legitimate corporations pay for his mistake?

You are saying that it doesn't matter that companies break the law by hiring illegals? I believe you'll find that lots of Americans disagree with you on this issue! The fault lies with many people, but the company that hires them is clearly wrong. The president didn't tell them to hire the illegals, they did it on their own to increase their own profits. It appears you support this unethical, and illegal, behaviour.

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If I walk into Canada I get sent back, I don't go to Canadian jail or become a slave on their work farm. And that goes the same for a Canadian that crosses our border.

Why do you keep bringing up things like slavery? Have you noticed you are the only one mentioning it?

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I support policy to support Mexico. If we help to make Mexico more stable, in the future Mexicans will not have to try to cross a wall to get a job. I guess you've been to Mexico, why would any Mexican want to leave that paradise unless to look for work.

The parts of Mexico I've seen were far from paradise. If I lived there, I'd be looking for a way to leave too. Helping stabilize Mexico is certainly a good thing. So is penalizing companies and individuals who hire illegals. This a tough problem, and there is no single action that will solve it.

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RE: GWB Signs Law to Allow QQ 2 Fly 4 Team USA - 1/21/2006 2:40:10 PM

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Since we now know you support illegals, because it helps you save money, it's no surprise to see you trying to make it seem like no big deal.
I don't support illegals. I just don't support useless "instant fix" tactics to fixing the problem like building a wall or punishing them. Nor would I ever support imposing fines on a company that hires illegals. If you say it's the Preisdents fault for not fixing the problem then why would legitimate corporations pay for his mistake?

If I walk into Canada I get sent back, I don't go to Canadian jail or become a slave on their work farm. And that goes the same for a Canadian that crosses our border.

I support policy to support Mexico. If we help to make Mexico more stable, in the future Mexicans will not have to try to cross a wall to get a job. I guess you've been to Mexico, why would any Mexican want to leave that paradise unless to look for work.

I am just curious as to where are the people from who make the OMP Planes you represent? Your views are starting to strike me as maybe you have a vested interest in illegal immigrants, or possibly sweat shop labor. I hope I am wrong, but you are beginning to sound like to me that you are trying to protect maybe a possible vested interest here. Please correct me.

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RE: GWB Signs Law to Allow QQ 2 Fly 4 Team USA - 1/21/2006 3:30:13 PM

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So STL I may be the ONLY person that says this to you but I am NOT glad that Sadaam is out of power. I have a couple reasons for this. First of all Sadaam isn't an idiot, no one who becomes dictator of a country is stupid. He knew that if he attacked the USA with any biological or chemical weapons that our response would be nuclear. Iraq would become a parking lot. Secondly now that he is out of power Iraq has become a huge recruitment area for terrorists and they can actually get combat experience there fighting American soldiers! So while our troops are in Iraq giving their lives to protect our country from weapons that Sadaam probably never would have used, Iran is over there screaming "WE'RE BUILDING NUKES TO DESTROY THE AMERICANS!" I don't know about you, but I don't feel any safer than before we invaded Iraq, in fact I feel less safe.

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RE: GWB Signs Law to Allow QQ 2 Fly 4 Team USA - 1/21/2006 3:41:48 PM

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So STL I may be the ONLY person that says this to you but I am NOT glad that Sadaam is out of power. I have a couple reasons for this. First of all Sadaam isn't an idiot, no one who becomes dictator of a country is stupid. He knew that if he attacked the USA with any biological or chemical weapons that our response would be nuclear. Iraq would become a parking lot. Secondly now that he is out of power Iraq has become a huge recruitment area for terrorists and they can actually get combat experience there fighting American soldiers! So while our troops are in Iraq giving their lives to protect our country from weapons that Sadaam probably never would have used, Iran is over there screaming "WE'RE BUILDING NUKES TO DESTROY THE AMERICANS!" I don't know about you, but I don't feel any safer than before we invaded Iraq, in fact I feel less safe.

If you think Saddam was smart, then read The Bomb in My Garden by Mahdi Obeidi.(Saddam's nuclear mastermind)

Also, bin Laden has nukes in America and has for a while. And one more thing, they were probably smuggled over during the cold war and are Russian suitcase nukes. Saudi intel. thinks there might be up to 70 at this time. Those who have them now most likely came over the Mexican/U.S.A border.

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RE: GWB Signs Law to Allow QQ 2 Fly 4 Team USA - 1/21/2006 3:52:28 PM

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Up with the wall!

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RE: GWB Signs Law to Allow QQ 2 Fly 4 Team USA - 1/21/2006 4:01:41 PM

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It appears you support this unethical, and illegal, behaviour.

Not all companies, in fact almost none, practice only what's learned in college and in books. Welcome to the real world.

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Why do you keep bringing up things like slavery? Have you noticed you are the only one mentioning it?

Try again, Woops brought it up as a penalty to impose on the immigrants.

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The parts of Mexico I've seen were far from paradise.

Mexico is a beautiful country. The only reason the bad parts exist is because of the gov't. Have you ever been to Cleveland or Detroit? Two other cities with useless governments. Your right there is no simple fix to solve the immigrant issue. But Bush is heading us in the right direction, once again.

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RE: GWB Signs Law to Allow QQ 2 Fly 4 Team USA - 1/21/2006 4:07:54 PM

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Sadaam isn't an idiot, no one who becomes dictator of a country is stupid.

Hitler was a genius too, up until the point his army was crushed. Most DICTATORS are pretty clever people, to a point. If he was so smart he would have given 100% non resistance and allowing the UN to inspect whatever they wanted to inspect including his own bedroom. If he was so smart why was his escape route out of Iraq a 10' hole in the ground? I think a dog is smart too, when compared to a chicken.

You're right Iraq TODAY is a mess. But what about the things that are getting done like their own democratic police force,military and justice department. You don't see the judges at Sadaam's trial just slamming the gavel and saying "you're free Sadaam, get back to your palaces". These are the new representatives of democracy in Iraq. What you only see are things that are happening RIGHT NOW but you don't see what impact it will have on the future. Iraq will not go back to where it was, the world will never allow that. NEVER NEVER NEVER. Boeing, General Electric, McDonnel Douglas and other companies will make sure that if it tries to happen again it will be done with swift precision.

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I don't know about you, but I don't feel any safer than before we invaded Iraq, in fact I feel less safe.

Really ... please explain this one.

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RE: GWB Signs Law to Allow QQ 2 Fly 4 Team USA - 1/21/2006 4:34:25 PM

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See reasons stated above for why I believe we are less safe.

And as far as allowing UN inspectors in, I seem to remember Sadaam ALLOWING them in just before the war and when they were unable to find anything Bush decided that Sadaam had 48 (or was it 24) hours to get out of Iraq? From what I can see Sadaam complied with the UN at that point and Bush invaded anyway.

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RE: GWB Signs Law to Allow QQ 2 Fly 4 Team USA - 1/21/2006 4:53:45 PM

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Why do you keep bringing up things like slavery? Have you noticed you are the only one mentioning it?
Try again, Woops brought it up as a penalty to impose on the immigrants.

I want them to pay for their ticket back. NOT slave labor.(you ought to look up what slavery is)

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RE: GWB Signs Law to Allow QQ 2 Fly 4 Team USA - 1/21/2006 5:04:07 PM

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You know and I know that there is a lot more grey then green or red when it comes to the WMD's. Read then entire Congressional report on the inspections. You'll see plenty of greys and greys are good enough.

Again you say he was so smart. He had 48 hours to leave Iraq and go into exile and fight from there. He wanted to prove a point and put his civilians and his military in harms way for no logical reason. But look at him now, what a great leader he WAS

In 10-15 years from now lets meet back at this thread and talk about Iraq. Heck I may be talking to you from my penthouse overlooking Tigres Euphrates located in the financial district located right next to their supreme court building. THINK VISION.

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RE: GWB Signs Law to Allow QQ 2 Fly 4 Team USA - 1/21/2006 5:07:50 PM

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I want them to pay for their ticket back. NOT slave labor.(you ought to look up what slavery is)

It can't be done, like I said against the Geneva Convention treaty. Prisoners of foreign countries are not allowed to lift a finger in time of war or peace. If you want them to pay back the $1500 average, then tell them to write a check and have them make it payable to you.

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RE: GWB Signs Law to Allow QQ 2 Fly 4 Team USA - 1/21/2006 6:20:51 PM

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It can't be done, like I said against the Geneva Convention treaty. Prisoners of foreign countries are not allowed to lift a finger in time of war or peace.

Since I have never, nor do I intend to ever read the Geneva Convention treaty and/or its amendments, I suppose you are the authority. However there must have been amendments. My Step-Grandfather, mother's side, was in charge of a very large camp of German POWs during last year-and-a-half of WW II, and they did labor well. 10 hours a day 5 days a week, plus 5 hours on Saturday in the logging industry of East Texas. For that they were fed and housed. The only real complaints were after the war and they were being sent back to Germany. A few made it back to the USA and looked him up for "old-times sake". Some certainly "Lifted more than a finger" in support of the US Defense Industry.

As far as Mexico, To _ell with it.

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