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RE: Saito FA-150 VS YS 11-FZ - 3/23/2006 2:04:19 PM   
LaCerne



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Bla Bla,
your not even funny. Compare apples to apples, and you will find there is a huge margin between them. It is the Saito users out there who are hallucinating when they assume there Saito puts out the Same power as a equivalent sized YS.
End of story.


Why not compare a ys 120 to an OS 120sp? I'm pretty sure the ys will get "spanked" by it!! Supercharger to supercharger!

By the way, does anyone actually have a pic of one engine spanking another? This is something I cannot visualize!

PS I like your post Bla Bla!

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RE: Saito FA-150 VS YS 11-FZ - 3/23/2006 2:08:27 PM   
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If there was ever flamming on here, it is from you. You look for any kind of a discrepency that you can find. Look were ever you want, the numbers are not even close on a average. If the freak** Saito's are that strong they would be useing them in CA in the Unlimited War Bird Racing, not to mention dominating pattern as well. I have never seen a Saito at a pattern contest and probaly never will as long as YS's are made. I am out of here.
There are too many idiots who think there Saito is as powerful as a supercharged YS.

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RE: Saito FA-150 VS YS 11-FZ - 3/23/2006 2:11:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you thought the YS was hard to tune look out with the OS sp. Not to mention they had prblems keeping them in 1 piece.
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RE: Saito FA-150 VS YS 11-FZ - 3/23/2006 2:22:36 PM   
LaCerne



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Status: offline 		I've run 2 of them. That's my point. They were hard to tune, but would put out loads of power, and sounded cool. But neither the os or ys are as simple to run, or light weight as a Saito, N.A. OS, Enya etc... The YS is a different animal.

There's always something bigger, badder, or better out there!

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RE: Saito FA-150 VS YS 11-FZ - 3/23/2006 2:26:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MOTORMAN37

WXMAN,
If there was ever flamming on here, it is from you. You look for any kind of a discrepency that you can find. Look were ever you want, the numbers are not even close on a average. If the freak** Saito's are that strong they would be useing them in CA in the Unlimited War Bird Racing, not to mention dominating pattern as well. I have never seen a Saito at a pattern contest and probaly never will as long as YS's are made. I am out of here.
There are too many idiots who think there Saito is as powerful as a supercharged YS.


Maybe the moderators can look the other way when you call people idiots too.

No one ever said that the YS isn't more powerful, you just exaggerate it then start calling people names. You have a right to your opinion, but other people have a right to give their insight. If you continue to bash people, then no one will want to post in any thread you are in. Tell me how that benefits a group forum? It is guys like you that ruin them.

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RE: Saito FA-150 VS YS 11-FZ - 3/23/2006 2:31:50 PM   
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That is all I have ever been trying to say. They are to totaly different animals. I have been flying with Saito's since the late 80's and also love them, but I also know there limitations too.

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RE: Saito FA-150 VS YS 11-FZ - 3/23/2006 2:35:09 PM   
LaCerne



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LaCerne,
That is all I have ever been trying to say. They are to totaly different animals. I have been flying with Saito's since the late 80's and also love them, but I also know there limitations too.


Your posts come accross to some of us as trying to say that there is no reason to ever buy a Saito over a YS. This may not be your intention, but it's how your posts read.

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RE: Saito FA-150 VS YS 11-FZ - 3/23/2006 2:44:28 PM   
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What I meant by limitations is as follows, I wanted the most powerfull 4 stoke available, and it was going to run inverted, and with the fuel tank on the CG.
The 1.10 fit the bill, and has performed beyond expectations.

I do not hate Saito's. I just bought a NIB .91 a couple weeks ago's. I know what they run like "sweet". I have owned (1)30, (2)50's, (1)56's, (2)91's, (1)100t's,(1)300t. So I am not trying to tell anyone not to buy one, but I know better than to try to say it is as powerfull as a clubmembers old YS.91. I have been just stating since the begining that the YS's are more powerfull CI for CI that is all.



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RE: Saito FA-150 VS YS 11-FZ - 3/23/2006 5:04:40 PM   
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You said a YS 110 could spin a APC 17X6W @ greater than 9000 rpm. Have you seen this?

I feel that for me, if I had a choice, I would choose an engine capable of running on lower nitro that could put out the same power at approximately the same weight, and to me that is how I would rate or group these engines. Not by cu.in. The Saito 82 would seem to be about there with the YS 63, The YS 91 with a Saito 120 and the Saito 150-180 with the YS 140, I don't personally know anyone running a YS 110 or Saito 125. They will all probably use about the same amount of fuel too. If you need to run with the tank on the CG you can install a Cline regulator.

As far as reliability and throttle response I didn't find the YS better that a Saito or Enya with a Cline regulator.

So for me, I would still go with a Saito or Enya, for now.

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RE: Saito FA-150 VS YS 11-FZ - 3/23/2006 5:16:01 PM   
bla bla


 

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I have a friend right, that knows someone who's brother recently met this guy who says that one of the jocks down the strip has a 40% Extra right thats abit heavy because it's build out of solid oak or somethin' ok and he's been tryin' to power it with everything right with no success until he recently go a little YS.61 of ebay and nows got unlimited vertical! On 10%!

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RE: Saito FA-150 VS YS 11-FZ - 3/23/2006 5:20:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		That 17-6 is with 30%. I have not seen it in person, but it has been reported by several people in the last few years. Extreme Flight who made the popular yak had a video showing a 1.10 spining a 17-6APC turning @ 9,000. You should have seen it pull that yak around. There is also some posts here on RCU that are not from me showing the same rpm's. I only run 16-6's and tried a 16-8APC. I like the performance better with a the 16-6 since I only run 20-20.
As far as the Clines go. I started useing them back around 94-95. They work excellent , but that is another $50.00. I have one laying on the bench now. The local chainsaw shop closed so I have to look elsewere for diaghram (walbro wa).

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RE: Saito FA-150 VS YS 11-FZ - 3/23/2006 5:34:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Cline is overpriced, $25.00 should be more like it. But I own several and they have all work as intended.

I like lower lower nitro fuel , not just because it costs less but because there is less chance of corrosion. I bought a few engines used that stunk to high heaven inside and were rusted so bad I could not believe they ran.

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RE: Saito FA-150 VS YS 11-FZ - 3/23/2006 5:56:02 PM   
MOTORMAN37



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Status: offline 		I actually received a free cline a few years ago. I called to get some replacement fittings because I was installing one of my old ones on a OS Pegasus and wanted some new elbows. Bill remembered me(I must be hard to forget ) and said he would send one out the next day. I could not believe it when it arrived. I just wish we could get a diaphragm made out of silocone for them.

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RE: Saito FA-150 VS YS 11-FZ - 3/24/2006 1:29:46 PM   
Hobbsy



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Status: online 		M37, I've about come to the conclusion that the YS Diaphragms are not made of silicone, I had one soaking in Corrosion X for 7 weeks on the flat part of my vice now it's been soaking in automatic tranny fluid for about 2 weeks, so far nothing has fazed it. I run castor, 80/20 blend, in my YSs and that doesn't bother them either. I think maybe they are mylar. I was confident that the Corrosion X would not bother the diaphragm but I