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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/13/2006 11:17 PM

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Hey guys, I also have a Walkera 22e. Have you had trouble balancing the heli by moving the battery? I can't seem to get it to balance even when moved all the way forward against the motor. I had to build a mounting bracket to mount the battery on the skids under the motor in order for it to be in balance.

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/14/2006 4:47 AM

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I just set the trim a little forward to make up for it.

Ah***** Found out the rx I bought (the E-flight 4 in 1) Will not work with the walkera TX. The only way is to buy the E-flight tx with the reciever. I may just have to buy the walkera one again.

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/14/2006 5:19 AM

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how do you go about balancing the 22e and were from? thank you

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/14/2006 6:30 AM

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Hold the fly bar on both your index fingers, and it should balance evan. If it goes one way or the other, set your battery in that direction, The tail will seem a little heavy most likely, If you want you can rubber band the batt to the center ot the crash skids.

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/14/2006 7:53 AM

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i am new to this so what is the fly bar? and thanks for your help

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/14/2006 3:24 PM

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It is the little rod on top that has the two white paddles on it, That controls the steering but is also the center point of balance.

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/14/2006 7:04 PM

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Ace,

What about the Venom 4-in-1? It should work.

Or, if you have another transmitter of another brand that will do CCPM, you might use it with the EFlite 4-in-1.

For that matter, the EFlite transmitters are pretty cheap too I think.

Zacc,

I had to tape (with stout double sided foam tape) two quarters into the nose of my machine to achieve proper balance. This with the battery all the way forward (almost touching the motor).

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/15/2006 12:53 AM

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do the parts of the venom night ranger 3d fit the 22E ? thanks

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/15/2006 5:17 AM

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Zacc,

I can't swear that they will, but the two ships look to be physically identical, with the exception of the canopy. The difference being the Venom stuff (including the radios) seems to work very well, but the Walkera seems to have issues (judging from the number of posts I have seen on it.

The Venom folks are very responsive, customer service wise, with people who own their product.

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/15/2006 11:55 PM

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Hello folks,

I'm a newbie with helicopters and I just bought Dragonfly 22E from Hobby4less. When it arrived I tried to start hovering about 4 inches and lift the throttle up and the heli goes backward and it's not balance or doesn't stay foot. Unfortunately I lowered the throttle and it outbalanced and peeled the blades a little bit and the blade holder was torn apart. I ordered the blade holder right away thru rcandme. Can you please help me how to tune it up and so that it will stay foot when lifting up the ground. Thank you and appreciate your input.

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/16/2006 3:23 AM

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They can be balanced like we talked about previously, by holding the heli by the fly bar, and than balance the heli with the battery or any thing you can Like Zacc. As far as the heli staying in a hover Good luck! It wont do it just by increasing the throttle. You always have to correct with directionals There are two many factors involved to get it to hover, like wind, The movement in the head (lash) and plastic parts flexing. Just practice, you can make it better by balancing the heli though.

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/16/2006 3:26 AM

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Ah...
You were right The rx wont work with the walkera transmitter.......... I decided to just order the walkera rx, Switching to the e-flight radio would take away my plt, and pzt knobs, and I grew to love them. I am also working on doing some mods to my heli in the mean time.

It should be pretty cool. I am tuning in the super head. I think it will work with a little mods.

I got the fms simulator do you know if there is a 22E or simular to download? I know the threedee flies much the same it would just be cool to have the same model.

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/16/2006 4:53 AM

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Ace,

I have been using the ThreeDee-I don't know that there is a 22E available on the FMS sim. There is a Dragonfly, but it is the #4, which would not do either of us any good.

The ThreeDee is very good for orientation practice, but not as quick responding as the VNR3D (or probably the 22E). The ThreeDee also appears to be equipped with a Heading Hold gyro, which our real machines do not have.

I have been practicing flying inverted on the ThreeDee and, now that I am getting used to having rudder and elevator reversed, I am concerned that I will get crossed up in normal flying. I am having to unlearn about 30 years worth of conditioning (having started flying R/C Helicopters in 1976, so this is really weird.

I plan on attempting inverted again on the Honeybee CP2 (which has already been dorked), as I do not want to risk my nice, shiney new bird.

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/16/2006 7:00 AM

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I just crashed my VNR 3D trying to hoover practice. Hit a table leg... Broke a blade grip I drove 60 miles round trip to get today. I only got 1 cause thats all he had, and it was off his parts chopper. Im beginning to wonder if I will ever be able to hoover it. Very frustrating to keep crashing into stuff. LOL 2 Days, 2 sets of main blades, 2 blade grips, 1 tail rotor spur gear. Is this the way it's supposed to be going, or am I breaking a crash record ???

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/16/2006 7:33 AM

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Jd...... If your 22E is not responding to directions You might check the black rectagular part on the fly bar. If you wreck it or anything it is possible that the little ears on the black piece that the flybars weights bolt on to break off and wont hold the flybar straight than it wont work your directionals.

what "little ears" do u mean? i have checked the rectangular part and it seems they're complete. do u have any idea what makes the difference in using that ball linkage set (upgrade-HM-22E-Z-38) and the standard flybar connector (HM-22E-Z-07)? when i tried to put throttle to about 1 ft from the ground (still using the standard connector) the bird keeps on flying backwards. and i cnt counteract using forward stick. thx for the help anyway...

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/16/2006 7:46 AM

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Hello folks,

I'm a newbie with helicopters and I just bought Dragonfly 22E from Hobby4less. When it arrived I tried to start hovering about 4 inches and lift the throttle up and the heli goes backward and it's not balance or doesn't stay foot. Unfortunately I lowered the throttle and it outbalanced and peeled the blades a little bit and the blade holder was torn apart. I ordered the blade holder right away thru rcandme. Can you please help me how to tune it up and so that it will stay foot when lifting up the ground. Thank you and appreciate your input.

training gear may help to prevent accidental "outbalance-blade-hitting-the ground" thing.

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/16/2006 8:41 AM

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Hey, I have been flyin planes for 3 years, and im here to tell ya, heli's are not easy to fly. I can't hold my VNR 3D in place either. It just takes practice. I gotta long way to go too. To trim it from goin backwards, move the trim tab on the left side of the right stick, up a couple of clicks. Have ya checked your blade tracking, and made sure the main blades are level with the controls neutral ? make sure the flybar paddles are level too. Earlier today, a guy flew mine at the hobby shop and made it look easy. He could hold it rock solid in place with no problem at all, so I know it's a matter of alot of practice. I suck at it and keep breaking stuff. LOL

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/16/2006 8:47 AM

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They can be balanced like we talked about previously, by holding the heli by the fly bar, and than balance the heli with the battery or any thing you can Like Zacc. As far as the heli staying in a hover Good luck! It wont do it just by increasing the throttle. You always have to correct with directionals There are two many factors involved to get it to hover, like wind, The movement in the head (lash) and plastic parts flexing. Just practice, you can make it better by balancing the heli though.

I wondered about that. Mine is tail heavy, but I have been letting the trim take care of it. I'll add some weight to the nose and get it right on and try it that way. If it handles better, I'll be a happy dude. It's getting very frustrating not being able to hold it at all. I hope the balancing helps...

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/16/2006 9:44 AM

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OK, I added weight in the nose of the cowling, and also to the right runner. It is perfectly dead on balanced in all directions now. It was off quite a bit... Should I see a huge difference ???

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/16/2006 4:18 PM

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You are almost ready! Now that your heli is balanced it is important to make sure your swash plate is level with the ground. This is the plate that all three servos connect to. If it is tilted in any direction that s the direction your heli will drift. When you take off, your heli will drift left a bit. This is due to the rotor pushing the heli trying to counter the rotor head. This will get easier as you get a little higher off the ground. Try that and happy hovering!

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/16/2006 5:11 PM

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Dennis,

Glad that you joined us.

I taped two quarters in the extreme front of the inside of the canopy on my VNR3D to get the CG where I wanted it. Like you, I had been compensating with the trim lever. When I install the brushless upgrade, I will probably be removing the quarters.

My battery is mounted sideways and as close to the motor as possible.

You should not have to add weight to the right skid. You should start out with the swashplate leveled as Acebusa described.

Properly trimmed and in a hover, the helicopter will be tilted slightly to the right. This is normal for a machine with a right-hand rotor system.

You will see some difference (improvement) in stability with the CG in the correct spot.

This is a very, very quick helicopter and will be a challenge to learn on. I have been flying a very long time and it still took me by surprise. I believe that part number 7715 (SeeSaw) and 7714 (Linkage) are the most frequently required items while learning.

Are you using training gear?

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/16/2006 5:26 PM

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This is the ear That I was talking about, Mine was acting funny like that too, And than I realized that the little tabs located under the flybar weights were broken off! if you remove the fly bar weights (careful not to break the tabs if they are still in tact) they are under them. If they break it causes the fly bar to move and will not turn properly.

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/16/2006 6:32 PM

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Ace, JD,

Those are not flybar weights and are not, per the manufacturer, to be removed. As you noticed, they hold the Flybar cage to the flybar, and there will be no control without them.

They are the same type of device as a flybar weight (which is really a wheel collar), but serve an entirely different purpose here.

They are too large in diameter for the flybar on this helicopter to be used as weights anyway.

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/16/2006 10:27 PM

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You can also check them by trying to rotate your flybar rod, do not try to turn too hard as it may break the tabs! If they are broke, the fly bar will turn easy the lock collar should not rotate with the bar, if they do, the ear on the flybar cage is broke.

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 1/17/2006 12:59 AM

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OK, all back together, and one run down. Clem, I have busted 2 blade grips in 2 days from hitting stuff like furniture. LOL My new rule is to abort when out of the imaginary boundry, no matter what... Seems to work well so far... I gotta get the LiPo though, this 5 minute stuff is ridiculas... It sure feels good to have it repaired. Call me shallow, but I feel sorta empty when it's broken. I need therapy bad... But first, I gotta learn how to fly this thing.

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