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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 6/19/2009 6:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Those main blade screws are pretty flimsy and if you remove and install them many times, they can get weak... I never had a failure like that but they are not that uncommon... they also stip out too easily.. don't know if there is a better subsitution for that, but I guess just replace them often.. they are cheap to buy.. You seem to have escaped major carnage with the heli.. It looked worse than it was.. the training gear once the heli gets out of balance really bounces around... and the pressure of the way the gear is mounted will make it fly when it hits the ground...

I do have a question for you.... was there any vibration in the helicopter before the blades came off... If there was, maybe the blades where not balanced properly and that led to the cheap screw breaking.. It should be smooth as silk when flying even with the training gear... If the balls move up and down even a drop, something is out of balance... Mine when I used the gear was rock solid..

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 6/20/2009 4:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		The helicopter was well balanced, the blades could be in better state... I had to tape the ends a bit, it still gave stable a flight. The helicopter vibrates somewhate when I increase speed, but at 50% throttle the vibration is gone and hovers naturally. I was in shock when the helicopter imploded mid air.


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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 6/20/2009 5:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		My heli's always has some vibration... except maybe right out of the box.. too many crashes.
Depending on how much tape you have the blades will give you some wobble.. often from
aerodynamics of the tape.

A lot of us use these blades... a little more durable.. but not much. But they have proven
good blades. They look like carbon but they are not.

http://cgi.ebay.com/3-6-Rotor-Main-Tail-Blade-For-Walkera-22E-RC-Helicopter_W0QQitemZ120341496758QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRadio_Control_Parts_Accessories?hash=item1c04e983b6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1205%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
and
http://cgi.ebay.com/10x-Walkera-22E-RC-Helicopter-Parts-Spare-Main-Blade_W0QQitemZ270399100679QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRadio_Control_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3ef50ad707&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1205%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
and
http://cgi.ebay.com/20x-Rotor-Main-Blade-For-Walkera-22E-RC-Helicopter_W0QQitemZ250303903411QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRadio_Control_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3a474676b3&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1205%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

I have weighted them and tested for balance and they seem almost perfect.

Don't throw away those original blades (the white ones). If they are the same as
what was shipped with mine and some I orginally bought...
You can rip them a part... there are two carbon fiber rods in each one you can use for
broken training gear rods and this and that.


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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 6/20/2009 7:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		If the blades are okay, then you should check your linkagees and make sure they are attached properly to the metal rotor head assembly.  Vibration can and will loosen the screws.  Always check before flying to avoid accidients that can cost.  Did the rotor arm break off completely?



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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 6/26/2009 9:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm going to install my last set of fresh stock blades today.

I'm curious about how sensitive the helicopter is to different kinds of damage blades, how bad can blades be before you have to throw them away?

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 6/26/2009 10:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		depends... I flew mine with only a small amount of tape before I retired them.. they are too cheap to risk costing alot more money down the road in a crash... If you have some vibration that goes away, something is still out of wack...

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 6/28/2009 9:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		ALERT: New heli in the hanger.

We'll not a different one too much... but I am impressed..

2.4G Walkera 22E...
Comes with nice blades..
The T-block was really snug.. no slop..
Built well for RTF.

The fly bar holder center piece is NEW with a Head Button.
I haven't been convinced yet... but I do feel, and looks,
like a good upgrade and or modification.

Simple modification before flight was turn the battery sideways.
Added two quarters to the nose.
Balanced out reasonably.

Blades tracked perfectly... it comes with a carbon fiber blade or a glassed blade.
You can't tell by looking at them because they come with a beautiful finish and "decal"..
White and yellow face. Look great in the air and on the ground.

Flew great in the backyard... hovers, nose in's, little circuits..

The 2.4G Transmitters is, on the whole great.... you can adjust gyro sensitivity and
rudder "limit" on the transmitter. You can adjust the throttle from Expo to Linear on the
transmitter.

OK.. and this is the first downside... burnt the main motor out in 3 minutes.
Obviously pre flight check main gear and pinion tension... nothing rubbing ie battery
rubber band holders, wires etc..
I have heat sinks on main motor and tail motor.
I break in the new motor like do all my new
motors and cool down each time..... 30 seconds... 30 seconds... 1 minute..
another minute flight... still working up to a more break in time
and the motor burnt out.
Welll boyz... it even happens to the best of them.. we get bum motors.

Other than the main motor... everything is cool beans and out of the box
RTF on the 2.4Ghz Walkera 22E.

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 6/29/2009 4:27 PM   
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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 6/29/2009 6:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like a nice one... Thats what I wish I had from the beginning and I would still have one... but just too late I guess....

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 6/30/2009 2:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think one of the problems flying my helicopter is that the training gear is making it harder to fly, it feels off centered and feels unnatural.

What do you guys noticed when flying with and without the training gear?

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 6/30/2009 3:46 PM   
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it flys much better without the training gear.

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 6/30/2009 4:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		The trainning gears add a good amount of weight and drag to te heli. The better way to go is to get the Super Skids 300 landing gear system and Super skids Titanium tail boom. The landing gear is a cross bwt a landing gear and a training gear. Below is a video of te Walkera #22E /Exceed Eagle 50 flying using a brushless main motor mod, Super Skids 300 with the Super Skids Titanium Tail boom and metal struts.







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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 6/30/2009 8:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		consultjdm, I'm going to hover lowly without the training gear and let the chips fall where they may, thanks for letting me know.

dchin, I always lose the 2 dowels that go on the cnc blue head, I superglue them but they only last a few flights, what do you do to keep them fixed?

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 6/30/2009 9:36 PM   
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I super glue the pins and they stay in.
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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 6/30/2009 10:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do the super glue thing. I use two servo screws and screw into the pin holes. Then I cut the top off and then glue the base. When that all breaks off from wear and tear then al you need to do is buy the T-Block. It unavoidable like buying blades. Still overall a inexpensive 6-channel heli to fly. I am currently working on getting the whole heli totally brushless. The tail motor is the main culprit for high cost over time as the tailo morgae and is the main problem for tail glitches which cause random twitches during flight. The RF noise is huge from carbon brushes motors. On the 2.4Ghz model, the tail is more stable.



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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 7/3/2009 12:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't normally post to report good flights but for a change I got the helicopter to fly for 10-15 seconds (my longest flight with it,) it wasn't a full hover but it landed safely. The trick was to remove the training gear

Once thing I've noticed is that the throttle is too sensitive, at around 55%-60% throttle the helicopter goes from being on the ground and jumping to 2ft high, this sudden lift scares me since I want to fly low for now. The knob settings are fine.

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 7/3/2009 12:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		All 6-channel CP helis do this. The Walkera #22E/Exceed Eagle 50 is nothing to be scared about. The larger 6-channel CP heli will definately scare you. The quick jump is the result of the blades angle changing during flight and catching more air to pop up quickly.

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 7/3/2009 4:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		You can "dead'en" the response by increasing the pitch of the blades.
Turn the knob on the right side to increase the pitch.
If you increase the pitch too much you will bog down the motor...
but you can find a happy medium and as a beginner this will help
you get the feel of hovering without the heli jumping off the ground.

Then you can also turn down the knob on the left... this in combination
with turning up the pitch with the right knob will soften the "lift off" the ground.

The point here is to get you flying, and comfortable as a beginner, with the
manipulation of the sticks... ie the collective (left) and the cyclic (right) sticks.

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 7/3/2009 11:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rob.. I learned that trick early on with the 22E.. I had a very experienced pilot set that up for me... I could lift off so smoothly I looked like a pro... thankfully I didn't have to deal with the popping up, would not have been fun while learning... Simio.. I don't know that I would learn to fly without the training gear.. It will save you alot of money if you get into a position you can't handle.. landing without it is much more difficult and less forgiving... They topple over easily when landed too hard... but if you can do it, more power to you...

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 7/4/2009 12:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't use the trainning gears. I immediately replace the stock landing gear with the Super Skids 300 landing gear and the Super Skids Titinaium 305 tail boom with adapter 22. Works really well.

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 7/4/2009 1:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good replies from everybody.

I had too much fun this morning, the blades were already taped up and my last flight the blades hit the pavement by a rough landing, thankfully new blades and a couple of pins will get her up again, that's about it.

I've just ordered 2 new sets of blades, free shipping at until tomorrow xheli.com so its turned out well if anyone is interested.

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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 7/4/2009 3:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Try my version of the modified training gear.. you can use
the struts you have and the ping pong balls.. just zip tie them on
to the landing struts. They really help.
You can eventually cut smaller lower profile wheels out of foam..
I used what I got at a craft store.. they are called "fake" marshmallows.


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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 7/4/2009 4:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice pair of wheels. A lot less than using Super Skids 300 w/titanium 305 tail boom. The 2.4Ghz version is nice with the carbon fiber blades. I'm working to get the whole heli totally brushless. The main motor is easy but the tail is still problematic with the 2.4Ghz technology. Hope this is doable as the tail motors are a killer in price ($7.99 on average). These motors with heat sinks installed last about 30 full flights on average. And when the motor goes in mid-air, you can crash and break additional parts.




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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 7/13/2009 2:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cen Rob JD !!!!!!!

Hi Guys!! Just thought I would pop over and say How Ya Doin ???? Hope yall have had plenty of stick time this year. I myself have not had a lot of flying time but I finally am flying....lots of FF, stall turns, etc. Fixing to start trying some loops, rolls and inverted hover. Got close to 200 flights in on my king2.

Just wanted to say best wishes to you guys....yall kept me from giving up in frustration....now I am helping a couple of local guys get there feet wet in helis.

Take Care
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RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk - 7/13/2009 5:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tommy.. good to hear from you.. glad you are progressing well.. I haven't flown as much as I would have liked either.. Life gets in the way of fun... Lately I've been flying more, but alot depends on the weather... talk to you later.... Cen

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