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TeeJayShelton -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (3/25/2010 11:14 AM)

Back to the gyro question... There is another video of that same heli that showcases the heli a bit more... That heli has a direct drive brushed tail motor and a brushless main motor and though you can't see under the canopy I would say it is very proobable the the rx in there is not the factory one... could be wrong though.....If you dig into it with the right background though it could be done... not sure it would be worth the hassle though..



simio7331 -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (3/25/2010 4:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TeeJayShelton

Go with the Deans Ultra you can also order them off of ebay by the ten packs cheap....
now....
I have several of the eagles and 22/e's the one I fly is using all seperate electronics and has an esky pro gyro on it right now.. I'm going to check out that video and see if this is someone trying/doing it with the stock electronics and a hack it would be cool esp. if they are doing it on a 2.4 bird as I have a spare 2.4 tx/rx to play with.... by the way which metal head did you get??? the cnc ''copy'' of the plastic head really isn't any better than the plastic head in handling... more durable yes but not more really more stable.... the cnc helicopter V@ head is real good also they have another thats a touch above that one.
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ORIGINAL: simio7331

This guy on youtube has a GY48V gyro on the walkera 22e/eagle 50


i want to get the gyro but I'm not sure how to hook it up, and if I can use heading hold on/off switch on my controller. What do you guys recommend?




I think I have the typical blue aluminum head, it looks just like the plastic one but its metal.

Yeah I would like to know if I can just plug in a gyro on my 2.4ghz receiver, that would be really cool if I could.





dchin62973 -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (3/25/2010 4:53 PM)

The stock 2.4Ghz Rx doesn't allow for this type of Gyro. We have this Gyro and use it on the Walkera #36/Exceed Raptor G2. The Dynam GY Gyro while very inexpensive requires a tail servo and cannot work on the stock Rx. Its probably a different RX which is under the cover.



simio7331 -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (3/26/2010 1:13 AM)

Oh I see, that makes sense. But what after market gyros work with the eagle 50 2.4ghz if any



TeeJayShelton -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (3/26/2010 1:54 AM)

I have not tried to do it with a factory RX. It can be done but it may require an electronics background to do it... As I said I have not done it with a factory RX (Yet). You can put any aftermarket gyro on it if you use a speed controller before the tail motor. The gyro will feed a signal to the speed control just like it will a servo and the tail will act accordingly. Never be as good as a belt or torque tube setup but not bad.... I have one of mine setup this way (but not with the factory RX)and have used 2 diff gyros on it to this point I had a 401b on it then switched to the Esky pro both worked but the 401b I have can drive a digital servo so I took it off for something else.  I will do it eventually unless I sell off my spare eagle stuff before then. Right now I am so busy I have 3 450's to build and I havent had time to touch them or fly for a while now.....Hey at least its good to have lots of work :)



TeeJayShelton -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (3/26/2010 2:06 AM)

I have email where when I asked dchin from RTF-Heli about how to setup his brushless kit with an aftermarket TX/RX/Gyro and he said it couldn't be done... Not true it works fine. The gyro send a signal just like it would to a servo for little to lot of throw... The ESC see the signal the same way.... In short it works... There are other manufacturers of tail motor helis that are selling them factory with HH gyros on them and you can upgrade the gyros too. Some will work better than others but all that support an analog signal will signal a speed controller just as they do an analog servo.... I am not a big fan of the tail driven helis but I do own 4 of them currently and have upgraded and sold others. They can be made better but after spending time and money to do it. You end up having as much or more into it then you will if you just went 450clone with clone electronics.... cheap easy better performance..... Having said all that I still like my eagles/22e's and honeybee's and will always have a couple of tail driven birds in the fleet they are fun and that is what this is all about is fun.

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ORIGINAL: dchin62973

The stock 2.4Ghz Rx doesn't allow for this type of Gyro. We have this Gyro and use it on the Walkera #36/Exceed Raptor G2. The Dynam GY Gyro while very inexpensive requires a tail servo and cannot work on the stock Rx. Its probably a different RX which is under the cover.




simio7331 -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (3/26/2010 5:31 PM)

Basically I want to put a gyro to help stabilize frozen hovers and whatnot. I'm alright with the tail gyro but I want the roll and pitch to have gyros too. Just point me to a gyro that'll work with this receiver.



TeeJayShelton -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (3/26/2010 7:19 PM)

There are a number of products out there that are full 3 axis gyros that work well... Heli Command, CPII , Flight mentor but none will work with the factory RX.  Unlike the upgrading of the tail gyro which is possible this is not. The reason is all of these program do the swash mixing for you and require swash mixing be off and the TX be in single servo mode. You cannot do that with your TX plus to be able to use these well you want to have at least 7 channels. You can make it work off 6 but not as well as you will only have control over one gain set from the tx. It is better to have 7 channels so you can have full control. You can get a TX/RX that will work delivered to your door for about 150 is the cheapest one I know of that is a good functioning unit with more than enough channels. I really like this unit I sold off my Airtronics RDS stuff for this get up. It is cheaper and has better heli features... plus you can get new 8chRX for 25 bucks each instead of 80ish for the Airtronics stuff..... If you really want to do much in the heli world you need to get a good TX. It will be a world of difference compared to what you are used to in terms of model versatility. Well worth it. If you have the extra money to work with and don't mind paying more for receivers go Spektrum, jr, futaba.... all are good... be sure to stick with 2.4 ghz and if you want to get into stabalization or photography later get extra channels... Extra channels = more options.... switchable running lights, glow sets, drop fake powder filled bombs, got enough heli?? drop water ballons :), click a camera shutter, endless as the minds maze are the possibilities...

Main Thing
Have fun,
TeeJay



s.elliott -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (3/27/2010 12:55 AM)

So I just installed new aluminum parts on my 22e this morning.  Once I got all the parts replaced I spun it up slowly just to take a look.  The tail motor was working fine at this point.  I then unplugged the motors to get everything all adjusted.  When it was all set up and plugged back in, I spun it up again and the tail motor wasn't working!  I have no idea what the problem is.  It wasn't knocked around at all and the wiring looks secure.  Any ideas???

Thanks...



TeeJayShelton -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (3/27/2010 1:12 AM)

I had that happen before I got rid of the factory RX but all I had to do was kill it the rebind it and it worked and it happened a few time but not all the time....



consultjdm -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (3/27/2010 1:14 AM)

Civilian,

My first thought is to resolder the wires, strange how they can look fine but have resistence and not work.

next, I would switch the hook ups from the main and tail motors to see if its the motor or some other problem. So try hooking the power from the main motor to the tail motor and vice versa.

Good Luck,
JD



s.elliott -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (3/27/2010 2:46 AM)

Ok so I switched the main and tail motor to make sure it wasn't something else wrong.  Concluded it's the tail motor for sure.  I was about to disconnect the wires to the tail motor, but thought I'd take a closer look at everything one last time.  I realized that the tail motor is trying to spin, but something is binding it up.  Any way to take the motor housing off to get a closer look, or is it just time to get a new motor?



s.elliott -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (3/27/2010 4:37 AM)

Made some progress on the tail motor...too bad it's still not working.  I realized that the collar around the shaft came loose.  I put it back into place and soldered the wiring back up.  Now it still looks like it wants to spin, and will do so if I give it a helping hand.  Once I throttle down it stops spinning again.  Any ideas for maintenance on the motor that would save it?  Otherwise I guess i'll just have to buy a new one.



simio7331 -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (3/27/2010 6:11 AM)

Thanks for the info.

The helicopter doesn't really need any additional gyros i realized it would take the fun away from flying. I've noticed the helicopter needs a more powerful main motor, the brushless upgrade is my next step and a 20C lipo I think my 10C falls too short and gets a little more than warm.



NeilS -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (3/31/2010 3:36 AM)

Like many others I'm now on my 3 main motor in 3 months!!! Considering it really hasn't flown THAT much its pretty poor form and quality...

Anyways, I've blown the expense and I've ordered the tottally brushless kit from RTF.....I also ordered the 1000mah 20c battery :)

I'll post some pics and video's when it arrives and is installed....

Anyone else have the kit and suggestions as to the performance gain ?

Cheers



TeeJayShelton -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (3/31/2010 3:52 AM)

Huge performance gain.... little small on the battery though... It will easily haul a 1350 around.... I like to do the swap of locations and put the battery under the canopy to get rid of the tail heavy issue this bird has.... The kit is easy to intall. It is almost completely done when you get it. The hardest part of the whole thing for me was gettin the wires through my super boom which is a tight but good fit. If you are using the super boom drop a piece of thin string through the boom to help pull it in. Very easy install esp. if you own a dremel. This kits pinion is tight on the main frame and you will have to do a bit of grinding to get it to fit. If you own a dremel you can be done and in the air in under an hour taking your time....



NeilS -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (3/31/2010 4:52 AM)

Awesome, thanks for your reply man..

I do have a dremel and a good pair of side cutters, I'll have a look at which is best for the job.

I bought the 1000mah as the website suggested it was the best fit, I'll look at getting another battery down the track.

Thanks for your post.

N



simio7331 -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (3/31/2010 10:09 PM)

3 main motors in 3 months... that's crazy considering I bought my exceed eagle 50 more than 6 months ago and the tail motor is still going at it.
I did have to replace the main motor because I had a few crashes that resulted in a burnt motor but never mid flight deaths.
Pinion grinding is the worse thing for the heli's motor if its too close to the main gear it can stress the motor resulting in a lot of heat, it can easily be fixed by finding the sweet spot.

I can't wait to get my total brushless. I think I might need to upgrade to better landing skies, i doubt the stock has enough room for the conversion.



NeilS -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (4/3/2010 4:54 AM)

Went down to the local park yesterday as I wanted to do more FF and some turns etc....There was a "little" wind, so I turned the idel up switch on...Flying around, left, right, then I tried flying it a reasonable away from me...All was going well until the heli started to drop, no problem, increase throttle/pitch and it will rise....Well....I found out the hard way the servo's in this heli are anything but reliable...

The end result is the heli continued to drop...Unfortunately I had forgotten I had the idel up on so when it landed I pushed the throttle to zero, only the heli didn't stop did it :( Yup, my first "funky chicken"...

Blades, see-saw and ball linkages...It also seems to have nailed another main motor. It powers up, but when it gets to 60% throttle it goes slower...Luckily I have a few spare main motors, quick switch and all is good...

Oh, and I think I know why I've gone through SO many motors...The original battery I notice yesterday is nafted! The middle cell has expanded....Yup, my fault as I drained it consistantly until there was nothing left!!! Lesson learnt..

I've just order 2 of the little buzzer gizmos that let off an alarm with the cells are low...

Oh, and I just ordered my Belt CP v2 :)



osceolaflyer -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (4/3/2010 8:00 PM)

This pad works great for me.  www.anything-rc.com/heli-pads.html





aingram702 -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (4/11/2010 8:01 PM)

I am having a very hard time getting this model to fly right. Wether adjusting the swashplate, angle of attack, and binding the transmitter to receiver, I can't seem to get anything to work right. I am a beginner heli pilot and am determined to figure this thing out. Any pointers?



simio7331 -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (4/12/2010 5:54 AM)

Unplug the Main motor and tail motor, plug in battery and transmitter. Now adjust your servo tracking (swash plate parallel with body) Front and Side. Hit throttle to 50%, the blades should be horizontal, or you need to adjust them.

Make sure the fly bar paddles are perfectly horizontal. Check to see if your 2 dowel pins are still on the T-block it wont fly without them.




simio7331 -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (4/27/2010 7:03 PM)

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ytar -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (5/19/2010 11:52 PM)

Hey guys im really new to heli's the 22e is my first heli ....it gave me losts of trouble .every time i flew it i had to buy a part but now i learnt my lesson and will be very corsious.. i wanted to know is a full metal upgrade for the 22e worth it and how do u install it??



consultjdm -> RE: Walkera 22E Lets Talk (5/20/2010 12:28 AM)

I don't think the metal upgrade is worth it since I have never had a problem with the stock head, plus generally you can't get parts for the metal heads so if you tweak them you have to buy another for parts.

JD



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