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RE: How many MAAC members competed in FAI worlds - 1/20/2006 6:55:38 PM

Jim_McIntyre

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I just realized, to the best of my knowledge, all these direct donations are not reflected at the MAAC office....

This skews MAAC's answer to the all-too-conmmon question (Ken) about how many donations are made to support FAI activities used in the all-too-common spin (Ken) about how many modellers actually think FAI is a worthwhile/popular venture.....

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RE: How many MAAC members competed in FAI worlds - 1/20/2006 7:24:28 PM

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I just realized, to the best of my knowledge, all these direct donations are not reflected at the MAAC office....

This skews MAAC's answer to the all-too-conmmon question (Ken) about how many donations are made to support FAI activities used in the all-too-common spin (Ken) about how many modellers actually think FAI is a worthwhile/popular venture.....

To my knowledge only 1 donation went through the competition fund raising committee, so it would probably be recorded....the rest are only known to those involved with the team, and those who sent donations

I am not sure if the other teams do this or not? I think we are pretty proactive for fundraising...it requires a huge amount of time though!

BTW....other than internet forums I have never had anyone tell me personally that they dont support MAAC's involvement with the FAI....and I have made it a point on occasion to ask such questions.

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RE: How many MAAC members competed in FAI worlds - 1/20/2006 7:43:55 PM

Jim_McIntyre

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To my knowledge only 1 donation went through the competition fund raising committee, so it would probably be recorded....the rest are only known to those involved with the team, and those who sent donations

That's what I thought, believe others operate similarly.

Kevin, if you're listening ... is there some way to get this record-keeping fixed?

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BTW....other than internet forums I have never had anyone tell me personally that they dont support MAAC's involvement with the FAI....and I have made it a point on occasion to ask such questions.

My experience has been similar, and I attend many large events in Southern Ontario from Ottawa through Windsor.
When I ask about FAI support, I often get a strange look, followed by laughter and how I shouldn't take ole Kenny so serious ... since nobody else does

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RE: How many MAAC members competed in FAI worlds - 1/20/2006 9:57:14 PM

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As a matter of interest, our club is always looking for meeting programme material so last night I took my tape of the NFB film "180 is Max" along. It is not a new film and it is all about a free flight World Champs in Sweden but it seemed to go over well. Certainly there was no anti-FAI hostility.
Bruce (bbair) was there so he could comment on whether that is a fair assessment.

I'm not certain if this tape is still available for rental from the NFB, but I think you can still buy it though there will be a bit of a delay in delivery. It's a great film. At least one modeller was involved in making it - Bill Pettigrew, now retired and living in Australia. He is into R/C Thermal soaring and SAM.

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RE: How many MAAC members competed in FAI worlds - 2/3/2006 10:30:23 PM

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I've got a question?

HOW MUCH $$$ does MAAC give to each competitor?

PLUS how much for it cost to enter a FAI event?

PLUS how much did it cost the competitor out of his pocket to go and represent himself and Canada?

How much do the boys from the AMA get from the AMA to go to a FAI event?

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RE: How many MAAC members competed in FAI worlds - 2/4/2006 12:11:05 AM

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Good to hear that private/corporate support is being solicited.

That's the way it should be. IMHO

Jabba............. here's an idea! Instead of heading down the whiney road of whaa-whaa........why not find the answer to your own questions and then report back?

............Unless, you're planning on somehow linking this discussion to the CAC and that mess, in which case.....

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RE: How many MAAC members competed in FAI worlds - 2/4/2006 2:56:05 AM

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Good to hear that private/corporate support is being solicited.

That's the way it should be. IMHO

A lot simpler than it sounds...try getting $$$ out of US companies for a Canadian team....not about to happen...and very few CND outfits have the overhead cash to donate. Even getting good sponsorship on equipment out of the US is very difficult....we are better off looking to Europe.

The US F3A team was fully funded (including support crew) and drove Volvo SUV's to give you an idea of the money they get (through AMA and private funding etc.)....10 times the modelling population will do that.

The common figure used for newbies who are travelling is $5K per person for a World Champs in travelling costs alone, so that works out in pattern to $35K CND as we take 7 people minimum....that does not include models, entry fees, uniforms, team trial costs, any extra vacation time pre or post worlds, lost time at work etc etc etc.

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RE: How many MAAC members competed in FAI worlds - 2/4/2006 5:38:22 AM

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..... I don't get it?

Am I supposed to feel sorry for you? Am I supposed to feel resentment because some AMA guys are deeper in the trough than you?

Bottom line is you are doing what you like and have chosen to do. What you have chosen to do is apparently expensive. Flying model airplanes isn't supposed to be a hardship...................if you have made it a hardship, do something different. If you like what you do and can afford it, do it.

If you are suggesting that you are performing some kind of self-sacrifice for my benefit, move your head from side to side quickly because you are not.

.....uniforms,(whaa) lost time at work,(whaa, whaa) vacation.........you have got to be kidding me? Boyz, you are flying model aircraft, you are not packing up some mountain in Afghanistan putting your life on the line for the sake of your freedom to whine about the rediculous without fear of some lunatic who wants to fly some toy through your forehead because you don't believe in his god.

No, Jim.........this isn't "Marcsist Hatemongering" It's looking at something selfish and stupid and saying........."Hey, that's really selfish and stupid"

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RE: How many MAAC members competed in FAI worlds - 2/4/2006 5:49:08 AM

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quote:

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..... I don't get it?

Am I supposed to feel sorry for you? Am I supposed to feel resentment because some AMA guys are deeper in the trough than you?

Bottom line is you are doing what you like and have chosen to do. What you have chosen to do is apparently expensive. Flying model airplanes isn't supposed to be a hardship...................if you have made it a hardship, do something different. If you like what you do and can afford it, do it.

If you are suggesting that you are performing some kind of self-sacrifice for my benefit, move your head from side to side quickly because you are not.

.....uniforms,(whaa) lost time at work,(whaa, whaa) vacation.........you have got to be kidding me? Boyz, you are flying model aircraft, you are not packing up some mountain in Afghanistan putting your life on the line for the sake of your freedom to whine about the rediculous without fear of some lunatic who wants to fly some toy through your forehead because you don't believe in his god.

No, Jim.........this isn't "Marcsist Hatemongering" It's looking at something selfish and stupid and saying........."Hey, that's really selfish and stupid"

I wonder what the flash to bang time on this will be

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RE: How many MAAC members competed in FAI worlds - 2/4/2006 10:54:02 AM

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Let us not tar everybody with the same brush. I have competed in five world Championship events. My attitude was never that I was being "sent" to compete so somebody else should pay. My attitude was and always will be, that if I cannot afford to pay for the whole event with my own money then I should not be doing it. MAAC provides some support, that is a bonus for which I am truly thankful.

That is the reason I will support MAAC in all of it's activities for ALL members.

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RE: How many MAAC members competed in FAI worlds - 2/4/2006 1:29:58 PM

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Again, Ed is the voice of reason. Make no mistake, my rant was squarely aimed at the author. I know Chad certainly is representative of nobody but himself.

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RE: How many MAAC members competed in FAI worlds - 2/4/2006 3:53:43 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sharpy01

Good to hear that private/corporate support is being solicited.

That's the way it should be. IMHO

Jabba............. here's an idea! Instead of heading down the whiney road of whaa-whaa........why not find the answer to your own questions and then report back?

............Unless, you're planning on somehow linking this discussion to the CAC and that mess, in which case.....

IF I knew the answer I would not have asked the question.....

BUT as you have said you were a ZD .... so you should be able to answer some of the questions.

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RE: How many MAAC members competed in FAI worlds - 2/4/2006 5:14:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: Jabba

I've got a question? (actually 4 questions)

1. HOW MUCH $$$ does MAAC give to each competitor?

2. PLUS how much for it cost to enter a FAI event?

3. PLUS how much did it cost the competitor out of his pocket to go and represent himself and Canada?

4. How much do the boys from the AMA get from the AMA to go to a FAI event?

1. Don't know

2. Don't Know (probably too much)

3. Not my concern.

4. Who cares.

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RE: How many MAAC members competed in FAI worlds - 2/4/2006 5:28:16 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sharpy01

..... I don't get it?

Am I supposed to feel sorry for you? Am I supposed to feel resentment because some AMA guys are deeper in the trough than you?

Bottom line is you are doing what you like and have chosen to do. What you have chosen to do is apparently expensive. Flying model airplanes isn't supposed to be a hardship...................if you have made it a hardship, do something different. If you like what you do and can afford it, do it.

If you are suggesting that you are performing some kind of self-sacrifice for my benefit, move your head from side to side quickly because you are not.

.....uniforms,(whaa) lost time at work,(whaa, whaa) vacation.........you have got to be kidding me? Boyz, you are flying model aircraft, you are not packing up some mountain in Afghanistan putting your life on the line for the sake of your freedom to whine about the rediculous without fear of some lunatic who wants to fly some toy through your forehead because you don't believe in his god.

No, Jim.........this isn't "Marcsist Hatemongering" It's looking at something selfish and stupid and saying........."Hey, that's really selfish and stupid"

Another post taken out of context by marc...how surprising.

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RE: How many MAAC members competed in FAI worlds - 2/6/2006 2:44:09 PM

DSLarkin

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quote:

I've got a question?

HOW MUCH $$$ does MAAC give to each competitor?

PLUS how much for it cost to enter a FAI event?

PLUS how much did it cost the competitor out of his pocket to go and represent himself and Canada?

How much do the boys from the AMA get from the AMA to go to a FAI event?

If you actually want the answer to questions like these then you should ask your zone director to find out - that's one of the things he is there for.

I could find out the answers but - why not go to the guy whose job it is: h