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What I've learned about life by building a Carden - 1/5/2006 11:56:51 AM   
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I'm well into framing my first Carden kit - a 35% Edge. I consider myself a smart guy and a decent builder. I read stuff, I ask people, I'm college-educated, and I'm pretty darn macho when it comes to airplanes. I have Hudson's and Kristensen's building sites memorized. I even built myself a kick-butt building table and a vacuum bagger.

Maybe it's the time of year, my age (just turned 40), or the mystique that surrounds Carden airplanes, but I have been through an emotional few months. I feel compelled to share what I've learned so far. It's part rant, part tribute, part not being able to sleep, so admins please move this to whatever forum you feel appropriate. Dennis and Caroline, if you are reading this - God Bless You.

The learning points are in roughly chronological (buildological, if you will) order. If you have come to these revelations on your own, please bear with me for we are brothers.

  • 1. The notched-out part of the rudder skin goes toward the leading edge of the foam core, like where you will cut off the excess from the fin bottom.
  • 2. The leading edge is the bigger, rounder edge.
  • 3. You can insert missing balsa skin on an area of foam but it takes a lot of tedious sanding and it doesn't look very good.
  • 4. It is difficult to see if your bagged core and skins are aligned perfectly in the shucks, once everything is in the bag.
  • 5. Once you pull vacuum, you don't need to put much weight on the shucks.
  • 6. If you are not yet keen to points #4 and #5 it is quite likely that the rudder's trailing edge will not be straight.
  • 7. Carden's office hours are 9am to 5pm Monday to Friday. (Eastern Standard Time). Phone 423-295-2295
  • 8. Caroline answers the phone and triages your call with the utmost professionalism. (Although I have this nagging mental image of her shaking her head and laughing as she gives the phone to Dennis).
  • 9. Dennis would make an excellent crisis counsellor.
  • 10. Don't try to vacuum bag a complex part when you are supposed to pick up your daughter from soccer in 30 minutes
  • 11. If you take advantage of the unseasonably warm weather to bag a wing in your garage, don't place the vacuum pump right where the roof melt drips through the ceiling.
  • 12. Upon your discovery of a warped wing, only vent your anger with the stomps and screams of a rabid three-year-old if you are certain that no one is in the house.
  • 13. 10-year-olds can be quite forgiving of aberrent parental behavior if time is taken to apologize and explain the behavior in its proper context.
  • 14. 10-year-olds are tattletales.
  • 15. Caroline's demeanor on the telephone is sympathetic and professional even with repeated calls (mental image now of her making that 'kookoo' sign - knowing glance to Dennis)
  • 16. Dennis and Caroline are the most knowledgeable, upstanding and helpful businesspeople on the planet.
  • 17. Don't destroy the warped wing in a fit of rage, because it might just be OK.
  • 18. It's easy for a newb to get psyched out by the rhetoric of internet 'experts' who apparently always build everything perfect
  • 19. Trying to make everything very very straight and level and clean-looking may bring out an unwelcome perfectionistic tendency in one's personality.
  • 20. Spouses have a habit of pointing out one's unwelcome tendencies, mostly when you just need sympathy.
  • 21. Screaming and cursing in front of your child decreases spousal sympathy.
  • 22. Aileron cord length is measured perpendicular to the hinge line.
  • 23. The root and tip of the wing are not perpendicular to the hinge line.
  • 24. An aileron can be enlarged to its proper cord length after it is cut by adding a 1/8" strip of balsa to the leading edge before beveling
  • 25. If something looks almost perfect, stop sanding.
  • 26. Fathers-in-law are great at finding sanding marks and dents on your best pieces.
  • 27. When you finish a piece and it looks like something on Bob's or Ivan's site, it feels pretty good.


So you have to be nuts to ask if Carden's kits are worth the money. Just look at what I've learned - and I'm not even finished building it.

I'm sure we've all learned some life lessons from building airplanes. Please feel free to add to the list.

Keith Drader
Calgary AB

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RE: What I've learned about life by building a Carden - 1/5/2006 5:43:38 PM   
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Awesome post, lewdfinger! Stick with it - the results will be worth it.

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RE: What I've learned about life by building a Carden - 1/5/2006 5:46:15 PM   
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Keith,

I found that to be a great read, thanks !! I have yet to start my Carden, but I now have a different appreciation for what I'm about to get into. Needless to say, it's the LITTLE things that always seem to get us.


regards, Ward

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RE: What I've learned about life by building a Carden - 1/5/2006 6:01:03 PM   
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Ahhh, the memories!, grat post very entertaining. Have ou shaped your leading edges for the wing yet? If not, I'll stay tuned, should be fun!

Kev

P.S. I'm kidding, it's really not that bad.

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RE: What I've learned about life by building a Carden - 1/5/2006 7:29:05 PM   
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I just received my Carden 40% Extra 260. I have not started my build yet but I am starting to feel the emotion(s). As a well known reputable builder told me "Welcome to the Perfectionist/Picky Builder Club". That releived me because I am also very picky when it come to planes as constantly reminded by my friends. I have also studied in detail Aero Protects, Kristensen, and the threads from others on RCU. If you dont mind, who is Mr. Hudson? Do you have a link to that build. The funny thing is that when you mention to someone that your a building a Carden have you noticed the moment of silence and then the AH?

Great Thread!!!

Thanks,

Perry

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RE: What I've learned about life by building a Carden - 1/5/2006 7:56:05 PM   
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Also notice that aren't many pictures of hacked up Carden builds on here. That would make us all feel normal.
Nope every picture looks like it's a piece of fine furniture Norm in buidling in his New Yankee Workshop.
"Today folks we'll be building this big Carden Yak. Now I'm not sure what a Yak is but just look at this lovely grain.
However I think we'll make our Yak from some of this 2,000 year old Cherry, Oak and Walnut I have in the shop.
Stay with us here on the New Yankee Workshop"

Hell, I could build the Spruce Goose if I had all the tools Norm has !!

Just once I want to see a post that says "Man, look how bad I screwed up my Carden"

Good luck Keith, They are great kits. I think it's the cost and the attention to detail Dennis puts in the kit that brings out the perfectionist attitude in us all.
It will be worth it.

Steve

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RE: What I've learned about life by building a Carden - 1/5/2006 8:01:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PTS
If you dont mind, who is Mr. Hudson?

Bob Hudson hosts the Edge building site which is linked from Carden's web site. He and Ivan are buds.
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As a well known reputable builder told me "Welcome to the Perfectionist/Picky Builder Club".

Well I must say that prior to this I thought I was pretty normal. I honestly have never flipped out like that before. I guess part of my choosing a Carden kit was the chance to demonstrate my modeling machismo, and to challenge myself, and yeah, impress my buddies. When I thought I'd ruined a foam core it was just too much. These forums are therapeutic (and cheaper than a psychiatrist), plus Dennis was very cool.

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The funny thing is that when you mention to someone that your a building a Carden have you noticed the moment of silence and then the AH?

The funny thing to me now is the look on my wife's face when she overhears me mention it. You know, the eyelids flicker a couple of times and the jaw clenches a little...


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RE: What I've learned about life by building a Carden - 1/5/2006 8:08:44 PM   
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Of course you did tell you wife that the Carden kit was $79.99 right?

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RE: What I've learned about life by building a Carden - 1/5/2006 8:18:28 PM   
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I'm being pretty hard on the old girl, just to be funny. She's actually been great - never hassled me once about my airplanes.

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RE: What I've learned about life by building a Carden - 1/6/2006 2:51:13 AM   
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Great thread, I love it! Don't feel bad Keith, on my first foam core wing I sheeted it on a section of my basement floor. Once dried I held a metal yard stick to the 33% wing panel to find about a 1/4" bow in the middle. (Dumb ass me din't think to double check the floor with the same rule BEFORE sheeting Heck, it's cement.....the guys who poured it were to make it level.......right? ) I weighted the wing in a cantilever position and place several pounds of weight on the wing tip flexng it a good inch or so hoping to "bend" it back. After about three weeks, I removed the weight and boing........right back where it was. Cost me about $110 bucks (The guys at Aeroworks don't discount replacement wing kits for stupid mistakes ) and a couple days worth of work.

Anyone need a sheeted right wing panel for a 33% Edge 540T.........slightly irregular......

.........Mark

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RE: What I've learned about life by building a Carden - 1/6/2006 11:14:13 AM   
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28 everywhere you use pro-bond type glues while sanding the balsa disapers and the pro-bond ridge is still there. My next two Cardens only will use old fashion wood glue. The drying time is a lot less than sanding an filling a concrete ridge.

Kent

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RE: What I've learned about life by building a Carden - 1/6/2006 3:57:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: gonn for good

...while sanding the balsa disapers and the pro-bond ridge is still there. My next two Cardens only will use old fashion wood glue. The drying time is a lot less than sanding an filling a concrete ridge.

Kent


Just curious, did you edge glue the sheets before sheeting or tape them? Also, what's "28"


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RE: What I've learned about life by building a Carden - 1/6/2006 6:43:40 PM   
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If you are using Probond/Gorilla glue and not vacum bagging than there is no need to edge glue your sheeting. Just finished my panels and the glue foamed right through all seams and sands perfectly smooth. The first time I glues foam wings I CA'd the edges and they never sanded smooth. From what I understand when bagging wings don't use poly glue it doesn't foam cause there is no air to activate the foaming.

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RE: What I've learned about life by building a Carden - 1/6/2006 8:01:02 PM   
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