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AXI 5330/FAI - 1/6/2006 11:03:08 PM   
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I am looking for an AXI 5330/FAI motor, rcamodels has none in stock and Hobby-Lobby doesn't list it yet. Anyone know where to get one??


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Chuck Hochhalter

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RE: AXI 5330/FAI - 1/7/2006 2:26:51 AM   
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The only place I know to get one is through Pacific Models (www.rcmodels.ca). No, they don't have them in stock, but I think they will be getting some in soon. I have one last one on order and was told to expect it in the middle of this month. There are a few others that will order them, but only in quantities of five or more.

Good motor, you'll enjoy it if you go that route.

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RE: AXI 5330/FAI - 1/8/2006 7:08:02 AM   
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Chuck,
Call Hobby Lobby, they can help you. It is not listed on the site, but available.

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RE: AXI 5330/FAI - 1/9/2006 12:34:41 AM   
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Thanks for the tips guys...

Chuck

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RE: AXI 5330/FAI - 1/10/2006 6:25:57 AM   
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Maybe hobby lobby is willing to help now. That's good. They knew nothing about them and weren't willing to help a few months ago. Rcmodels matches their price and actually beat it when I ordered mine. And when Tom and I ordered ours no one else even knew they existed except one place in Florida. But they would only order in 5's.
I got ahold of Richard at pacific models, www.rcmodels.ca and he actually got me the f3a motor and a jeti 90 esc for the same price that hobby lobby was selling the other 5330's. Plus I got free shipping and had it within a week. He was ordering from axi and I caught him at the right time. Now I get great service from him every time I order. I am more than pleased with how hard he has worked to gain me as a customer. I am not sponsered by him, don't get me wrong. Just a very happy customer several times over.
Give him a call if you want, tell him Chris sent ya and you want an f3a. I've sent a few his way and they have also been pleased. Hobby Lobby is fine, don't get me wrong. I just got a couple of foamies from them. I get all my axi's and jeti's from pacific.
Good luck to you. And glad to see that you're wanting to get the axi.
Let us know how your new axi turns out.
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RE: AXI 5330/FAI - 1/11/2006 1:09:23 AM   
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I will call around. I prefer to help the 'little' guy before the larger corps... i order all my little stuff through my local to keep him around.

I am going to be building an Inisight again, similar to the one in the pattern forum and it should weigh around 10 with batts and all i hope.

more as it actually happens.

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RE: AXI 5330/FAI - 1/16/2006 1:48:30 PM   
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hi chuck!
i'm not sure if the 5330/f3a is the way to go, i'd say that depends on the airplane. i'm flying a fly-fan obsession weighting TOW less than 10 lbs on a 5330/18, a PHX110HV and just 10S1P3700. with this small load i only need a 19x12 APC/E cut down to 18,5. you will fly P05 on less than 3000 mAh with this combination, unless you just want to punch holes in the air...anyway, good choice, the AXI, cause it's one F3A powerplant which DOESNT sound like the 30 y/o mixer in mom's kitchen

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RE: AXI 5330/FAI - 1/17/2006 2:27:01 AM   
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How many amps are you pulling with you combo Roger? This is interesting info as i will not be flying P or F anything for a while. I am in the intermediate class with the intention of flying at the Nats and then moving into advanced. I am always looking for new options and this may be one of them. Which battery are you flying?

I think i could potentially build a 9lb 7 oz electric plane to compete with. TOW.

I want to push the limits but not with batteries. Grin.

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RE: AXI 5330/FAI - 1/17/2006 3:04:46 AM   
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Hi chuck,

I'm using the 5330/18 motor with the CC HV85 and the CC HV110 and the APC E 18x12 prop with a 10s2p pack and drawing 68-69 amps turning 6500 rpms and putting out 2200 watts on a 11 lbs plane. A friend of mine Dan Landis is running the same and just did some testing with the FAI and he did see some increased power but no numbers yet..

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RE: AXI 5330/FAI - 1/17/2006 4:08:29 AM   
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I "think" i can get away with the 5330/18, HV85, 10s1p new EVO cells 3700 MAH, APC 17x12 E. or even 17X10 E

I am curious how this setup would compare to my os 160 running the APC 17x12.

I am going to use carbon laminate on my next Insight which will be the electric for all the formers and motor mount. Where did you get yours and how does the weight compare?

Thanks again everyone for your input.

i have chatted with Danny L. and am heavily leaning towards his setup but if i can use the 10s1p packs i can save 100 bucks per stick.

We shall see how the airframe comes out before i decide on batteries in the end but the motor of choice is the 5330/18 or FAI

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RE: AXI 5330/FAI - 1/17/2006 6:12:35 AM   
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Hey Chuck.
Very glad to hear your looking in the Axi direction. They really do produce a great quality motor.
I know you have alot of choices to make right now and I also know that they aren't easy choices.
One thing I would consider. I notice you say how would it compare to your os with the 17x12. I am also running an os 140rx with either a 17x13 or a 15.5x12 4 blade, so I understand your thinking.
The reason I am went with the F3A motor was, well first off, because I love the axi. Second, because everyone seems to think they won't work. Third, because I want the slower speed of the Hacker or any other electric spinning the big prop (22x12 or 21x13). If the speed of the electric isn't what your looking for then by all means I would recommend a 18 (not that I have run one, don't get me wrong), with a smaller prop. It's a great alternative to get into the electric scene. Now, there are alot of people on the forums that will say alot of things about the Axi's. Take a small handfull seriously. As most have not run them and only go by the figures that their calculations tell them, which are generally not accurate on any motor. There are other alternatives to the thunder power batteries coming out that can handle more amps with ease. Trust me on this. They're not cheap either though. Electrics aren't.
I do think the 18 would be enough for Intermediate and maybe even Advanced. So you may be safe. Ask your self though, if you are planning on sticking with the electrics. As the Axi will last you a long long time and can be transferred from plane to plane, as with any other motor. But when you (and you will ) get into Masters and Fai then you will need the Fai motor anyway. Of course at the great prices that they are at, most can afford to upgrade anyway.
Don't take me wrong here Chuck. I'm not trying to influence you. Just trying to offer some insight as I know the choices are difficult.
If you want to see the power of an 18, talk to Tom. Exfokkerflyer. He may just show you the video of his dads 16 or 17 pnd Yak taking off into a very impressive vertical. Plenty of power.
I would like to say that I wouldn't skimp on the batteries as they are very important. And by the time you have your plane built the new batteries just may be out.
Good luck with your choice and let us know as we are all in this thread for a reason.
As for carbon products, look here http://www.acp-composites.com/acp-lp.htm
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RE: AXI 5330/FAI - 1/17/2006 6:22:18 AM   
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Just test flew my Electric Focus this afternoon. Running an AXI 5330/F3A with TP 6000's 10s3p, and an APC 20x13. Amps this afternoon were about 60, but that was with a not so fresh pack, expect that number to jump a bit maybe to 65-67 will test again tomorrow. Didn't get an RPM figure yet. See the other threads on this motor for the numbers with a 22x12 prop.

Weight is a tad over 11 lbs as it sits, switching to 5300's will bring it under the limit.

For Intermediate and Advanced you should be fine with those Flight Power packs. Make sure you set a time when flying and stick to it. Start out at three or four minutes and charge your packs and see what you put in. From there, work your way up till you put in about 25-2700 and keep it at that time and the packs should be fine. Careful not to drain them too low, repeated discharges over 80% will damage them. So if you keep the flights short you'll be okay.

I saw the ads for those new packs today and has got me thinking... may have to try a set. Would be interesting to see how much battery you would use in a flight with a 10 oz lighter plane. Could you do the Masters and FAI pattern with roughly 2800 mah out of 3700? Maybe, sounds like other guys are doing just that. Might not want to put 200 flights in a year practicing with them, but maybe for contests? Probably tight, but I'd be interested to hear if there are guys doing this and how much power they are using per flight.


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RE: AXI 5330/FAI - 1/17/2006 2:41:22 PM   
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P-07 seems to use more battery than P-05, I think you would be pushing a 3700 pack right to the limit especially if it ever gets windy.

F-07 no problem, can be done for less than 3000 mah.

There is a very real chance in the next rules change that the prelim sequences will be shortened to the length of the final sequences....then 4000 mah packs wont be an issue

That being said after flying a 10.25 lb plane this year I dont think I want one any lighter Also your total flight time will need to be restricted to 9 ish minutes for a 4000 mah pack with an 80% discharge. For 11 minutes I am pulling more than 4000 out of my packs.


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