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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 11/9/2006 9:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi all; I'd like to get veiws as to weather this is considered a patteren or 3D aeroplane. Wt 5.5lbs/span 59"/Saito 82a. Pic showes max throw avalibble, but I have it at Low rate 25%, 15% expo -- and High rate 50%, 60% expo. Just getting into aerobatics and lean towards patteren, but would like to leard to hover and harrier.

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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 11/10/2006 4:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		my 2cent opinion is more towards 3D then a pattern plane. I have See Bee & Imagine 50 which lean more toward pattern. anyway edge 540 can just do about any routine precisely in the right hand...

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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 12/12/2006 4:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Eric.Henderson

"If it has wings, I'll fly it"

At this point, it should be mentioned that a landing, actually on the runway, is also a required maneuver. (Just picking, Eric!)

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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 1/12/2007 4:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		This thread has most of the info I've been looking for!! After seeing this I will definately hang on to my Jester and Lucky Fly. Are these 2 decent pattern planes or not? Hope so. Also would these be adequate 2nd planes or 3rd. Got my feet wet last year but going to jump in head first this year!

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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 1/12/2007 9:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm looking to get into Pattern flying. I have an UltraSport 1000 w/Saito 1.50GK. 79.5" wingspan and I have to weigh it to make sure I am under the limit. I have modified the tail feathers to be a bit larger than a stock US. Would this be a good plane to get started with or should I purchase something else to begin with? I'm just getting back into flying and I'm refreshing with a H9 Ultra Stick 40 with a Saito FA-80 on it.

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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 1/12/2007 10:08 AM   
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I'm looking to get into Pattern flying. I have an UltraSport 1000 w/Saito 1.50GK. 79.5" wingspan ... Would this be a good plane to get started with or should I purchase something else to begin with?
There is no reason why you could not practice with your plane. Not sure what rules exactly are applied in the lower level competition classes in your area, or how strictly they are applied.

If you can fly a straight line and do a loop, roll and stall turn with your plane, go and practice to make them perfect.


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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 2/4/2007 3:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ultra Sport is a fine plane to start with...
The AMA patern says under 11 lbs, and under 2 meters long, and under 2 meters in wing span...BUT..
I believe that if you show up at a contest to fly with that plane, you will be fine..
Patern is fun, you compete against your self in that you want to fly to what you percieve is the best of you ability!!
sure there are others you are flying against, BUIT 1st and foremost fly to suit yourself!!
just my opinion!!


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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 2/6/2007 3:16 AM   
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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 2/22/2007 7:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		The winspan of the ultra sport 1000 is over the 2M limit. Most CDs will allow this for the sportsman or beginner class. I sure do at my contest. We allow up to 26 pounds in sportsman. We are trying to let people fly what they have; so they can see if they like pattern. Personally I get a little worried about safety issues if someone is flying something bigger than 26 pounds and is just learning aerobatics.

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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 2/22/2007 7:59 PM   
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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 2/22/2007 8:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		At most local contest we use the trust the flyer to tell us the weight and look at the plane. At the National Contest they use a digital gram scale set to 5kg or a balance the plane with a 5 kg certified weight.

For myself I use a fishing scale to get the ball park and go to the UPS store or the Post Office. My pattern flyers have their own digital gram scale. The worry at a 2 gram difference in the wing masses.

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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 2/22/2007 8:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I was considering purchasing said digital gram scale. I find I often have need to weigh stuff < 30 lbs and need more accuracy than the difference between me and me w/item on human scale. :-)

Any recommendations?


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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 2/22/2007 8:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Check any search engine. Had good experience with old will knott scales (website is same no spaces). Reasonable digital with a 15lb capacity and many others.

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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 3/8/2007 3:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		For anyone who has never seen a pattern ship with an experienced pattern pilot flying it, I highly reccomend getting out to a field to watch it. I was still being instructed when I saw a team JR pilot do the FAI sequence, I was so impressed 9 minutes of the smoothest flying I have ever seen. I am now building a tiger 60 to the specs of our veteran pattern pilot so maybe I can try my hand at precision aerobatics.

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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 3/11/2007 2:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		What is pattern flying...

More than likely you saw Dave Lockhart fly...Dave is a excellent precision aerobatic pilot who is also very generous with his ideas and experiences. Which is one of my favorite qualities of flying pattern and more specifically, flying in a contest.

The photos below are of an event I traveled to in South Carolina last year (Dave Lockhart, Troy Newman, Dean Pappas, Joey Hayes, Arch Stafford, Dave Guerin, Matt Kabajian, Tom Miller and Don Sczcur also attended). Of particular interest were the efforts to complete a new design/model "The Outlaw". These guys had a geat time traveling together in Joey Hayes' mondo fifth wheel, wrenching on the models and working through the first flights.

Chosing the path of precision aerobatics may improve your flying, increase your confidence, expand your modeling knowledge AND give you the opportunity to meet some very nice individuals!


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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 3/12/2007 4:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Berusty, Yup D. Lock it was. Actually I spent about 4 hrs at the field today with his father today. I am entering the beginning phases of pattern and I was working on the sportsman routine with one of our other Pattern guys. Flying a Tiger II until my modded Tiger 60
is complete. It takes alot of practice and work but when you finally get one or more of the manuevers correct it's worth it.

One of the nicest things about learning from the guys at my field is they won't lie to you, cause if you go into a competeion they will be the judges.

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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 6/25/2007 5:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is there any videos out there of people flying pattern? I am very interested but I don't understand what the manuvers are in the diagrams that I've seen. TIA

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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 6/27/2007 2:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Rusty

Any follow-up on the "OUTLAW" test flying - it looks a rather nice pattern plane. I would enjoy more photos posted of it if possible or perhaps a lead to where it may be shown on a website.

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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 6/28/2007 3:58 PM   
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I have no additional information or photos...

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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 7/23/2007 4:28 AM   
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10,000 hours of practice
$5,000 for a World Class model

Standing on the podium at the 2007 USA F3A Team Selection Event...Priceless


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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 7/25/2007 3:57 AM   
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Trust...knowing that your coach/caller is their to calm you down and keep you focused.

The photo is of Troy Newman and myself before I flew the finest P-07 of my life (898.00) against the best. Thank you Troy for your wisdom, Bill Cunningham for lending me the model and Jason Shulman for a few trim flights Monday before the NATS!

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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 7/28/2007 3:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just purchased a CMP Giles 202 140. http://www.egrandbuy.com/aegi20214072.html
First of all will this plane make a good Pattern plane? I’ve never tried pattern before. I’ve been on the 3D thread looking for the right engine for this plane. But it looks like it will be under powered for 3D unless I get a larger engine. But, I hear I need to stay away from the extra wt. a larger engine will add. I’m looking at a 26cc gas. This site has the engine I'm looking at. http://www.greenmodelusa.com/SPE_GasEngine.html
Also the box says its wt. is 10lbs. What it doesn’t say, is this just the plane or plane w/engine wt? Also the instructions don’t have the throws on it. Any recommendations for High and Low rates? I’m new to R/C flying about 2 years now. I fly 40 size, Ultra stick, Heckler, P-51 PTS, Sky Rader Trainer with floats. I fly and screw around. No rime or reason to my maneuvers, just having fun. I think Pattern will give me some discipline in my flying. Any good videos out there that give good instruction on pattern, 3D etc. One that just doesn’t show the plane but one that’s shows what you are doing with the controls to do that maneuver? Thanks.

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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 8/3/2007 8:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		this is probably a dumb question but bare with i'm just kinda getting into pattern myself. what is a 2m airplane. i've seen that in forums and magazines but it just never really registered what it is.

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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 8/4/2007 1:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		dirtmagnet, A 2m airplane is a 2 Meter sized model. Usually the fuselage length will be close to 2 meters and the wing span will be slightly smaller. The smaller wing span will make the plane snap better. AMA / FAI pattern rules say that the model must not be more than 2 meters long or have a wing span greater than 2 meters. It must also weigh less than 5 kg. or 11 lbs.

Hope this helps

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RE: what is "pattern" flying - 8/4/2007 3:24 AM   
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