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ALL Lithium Ion Questions are welcome here - 11/24/2002 11:33:49 PM   
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Hello All

I would like to invite you all to post any questions or comments you have concerning Lithium Ion technology along with specifics concerning PowerfLite Products here. I will do my best to reply in a timely manner.

We at Skyborn Electronics / PowerfLite strive to provide the latest information possible in what has been described as "a new technology for a very old hobby".

I have recently come on board as PowerfLite's new Marketing and Public Relations Representative. I encourage everyone to visit our website at
http://www.rcpowerflite.com for the latest info and prices on our products.

REMINDER: Please refrain from using this forum as a means to "FLAME" our
competitors and their products. I will answer specific questions about PowerfLite and Skyborne Electronics products. Again, please, let's not "FLAME" the competition.

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ALL Lithium Ion Questions are welcome here - 11/24/2002 11:45:10 PM   
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Great Planes has just introduced their new Triton Charger/Cycler. It has Lithium-ion capability. Is it compatible with PowerFlite Lithium-ion technology?

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Great Planes New Charger - 11/25/2002 12:03:11 AM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by redscho
Great Planes has just introduced their new Triton Charger/Cycler. It has Lithium-ion capability. Is it compatible with PowerFlite Lithium-ion technology? [/QUOTE]

Red

Thanks for the question.

I was at the International Model & Hobby Expo in Chicago a few months ago and talked with the folks from Great Planes. They told me that they were introducing the new charger with the Lithium Ion settings because they feel strongly that the hobby will be heading in that direction due to the EPA "outlawing" NiCds in 2006. They assured me that the new charger would handle PowerfLite Packs. We are due to receive one of the new chargers soon so we can test it in-house. So, to answer your question ... YES, to our knowledge, the new Great Planes Charger IS compatible with PowerfLite Packs.

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ALL Lithium Ion Questions are welcome here - 11/25/2002 12:26:32 AM   
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Can you please point us the the EPA document that supports this statement, "due to the EPA "outlawing" NiCds in 2006."


Public Law 104-142 "Mercury-Containing and Rechargeable
Battery Management Act'' provides for the efficient and cost-effective collection and recycling or proper disposal of used nickel cadmium batteries, small sealed lead-acid batteries, and certain other batteries, and for other purposes. [H.R. 2024]

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ALL Lithium Ion Questions are welcome here - 11/25/2002 4:47:11 AM   
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I wonder if you could speak about the differences between Powerflite and Duralite batteries. Of particular interest is the built in charge regulator that Duralite is now putting into their packs, is it an advantage? Does Powerflite have a similar system built into it's charging system. I am building a 33% extra and I am deffinetly looking seriously at using lithium batteries. I need as much information as I can get to make the correct decision for a successful project. As you said above I don't want you to "Flame" the competion. I just want an objective comparison. Powerflites seem quite a bit more expensive than the Duralites. I assume there must be a reason.

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ALL Lithium Ion Questions are welcome here - 11/27/2002 12:36:56 AM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by redscho
Can you please point us the the EPA document that supports this statement, "due to the EPA "outlawing" NiCds in 2006."


Public Law 104-142 "Mercury-Containing and Rechargeable
Battery Management Act'' provides for the efficient and cost-effective collection and recycling or proper disposal of used nickel cadmium batteries, small sealed lead-acid batteries, and certain other batteries, and for other purposes. [H.R. 2024]
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Red
Sorry if I sounded misleading in the above post. There are issues with the heavy metal contained in NiCd batteries that the EPA is VERY concerned with. In the EPA publication at the URL listed below, the issue is addressed. I used the word 'outlawed' in quotations to accent the fact that the word 'outlawed' was to be taken loosely. Just as if I was talking face to face with you and I would use my hands to give you the "quote" ... outlawed ... "unquote" usage of the word.

You can all read the EPA Battery Act at ...

http://www.epa.gov/Compliance/resources/newsletters/civil/enfalert/battery.pdf

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ALL Lithium Ion Questions are welcome here - 11/27/2002 2:41:43 AM   
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I was fully aware of the document you referance. This is why we (the industry) formed The Rechargeable Battery Recycling Corporation.

Cd, like lead, is something we want to keep out of our waste flow and steps have been taken to do so. These steps do not suggest out and out banning the material in the forseable future.

If you have to throw up dark clouds to promote a product, the the product may be suspect.

One could do the same by sending up smoke signals about the MAHA charger (lithium-polymer) or any other of the lithium "incident" stories.

Lithium technology has its own cross to bear in some of the EPA issues that face the manufacturer of these products. Less (or no problem) in China where there seems to be the most activity - probably for good reason - reason's other than totally economic.

If I were promoting a relatively new technology I would focus on the significant advantages (real advantages) and provide the potential users with some meaningful data on life and performance characteristics in the application being considered.

Bottom line, Ni-Cd, like Lead Acid are not going to go away until there are economically viable replacements that can meet the rigorus power demands that they serve. People have been working on this for nearly a century with little significant progress.

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ALL Lithium Ion Questions are welcome here - 11/27/2002 9:24:35 PM   
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Red

Thank you for your candid reply. All points are valid and will be considered in the future. BTW ... did you ever receive the products I sent you for a new review? If so, when and where can we expect to see the aforementioned review?

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ALL Lithium Ion Questions are welcome here - 11/28/2002 12:07:03 AM   
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Rick asked:

"BTW ... did you ever receive the products I sent you for a new review? If so, when and where can we expect to see the aforementioned review? "

No, Rick, I have not received anything from Skyborn. When did you send them - and what did you send? Have charge capability now with both Triton and old Super HiQ with adjustable voltage clamp and charge current.

It will probably take a a couple of weeks for preliminary review, and up to a month to try them in something. Of course I would expect them to work as advertised, testing how long, and how many cycles takes a lot longer time and unless the sample is signicantly big enough, any life data would be meaningless. We would never do a life test with under a 100 samples, 500 would give us a decent test matrix . . . but alas I no longer have access to thos facilities and am limited only to short term performance testing to confirm specfications.

I have some FMA KOKAM Lithium-Ion on test and they perform quite well. Two KO1020 in series give 30 mintues flight time on a Lite Stick - with a Lite Stick - 30 minutes flying is not all the exciting, except it gives students a lot of calm stick time. I think this is a great preliminary R/C fligh training tool. And a lot less expensive than a simulator. I also have 2 each KO 2020 and KO 3300. Bench testing shows them to hold up fine under 2C discharge, Will try them next in a speed 400 plane as soon as I can come up with one that they will fit in. While nice an thin they have a rather large foot print on the flat side. 2020 and 3330 are the same size L X W but the 3330 are nearly twice as thick.

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ALL Lithium Ion Questions are welcome here - 11/28/2002 10:45:56 PM   
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I will double check with my guys to see what happened to the package I requested be sent to you. Things have been chaotic around the shop since we lowered our prices.

Happy Thanksgiving!

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ALL Lithium Ion Questions are welcome here - 12/2/2002 1:20:03 AM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by HSchlange
I wonder if you could speak about the differences between Powerflite and Duralite batteries. Of particular interest is the built in charge regulator that Duralite is now putting into their packs, is it an advantage? Does Powerflite have a similar system built into it's charging system. I am building a 33% extra and I am deffinetly looking seriously at using lithium batteries. I need as much information as I can get to make the correct decision for a successful project. As you said above I don't want you to "Flame" the competion. I just want an objective comparison. Powerflites seem quite a bit more expensive than the Duralites. I assume there must be a reason.

Thanks
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Thank you for your question.

First off, let's touch VERY briefly on price. We have just gone through a price change that has not gone public at this point. I suggest you check here or on our website for the new prices to be released soon. An example would be for your 33% plane, I would suggest one of our PowerfLite Professional Sets. The professional sets include everything you need to outfit a Large Scale, IMAC, or TOC sized plane. Your cost would be $399.95 + S/H for everything you need for the 33% Extra ... batteries, charger, and testing equipment!!! Drop me an email or a call so I can get you more info.

Concerning the built in charge safe circuitry Duralite has chosen to include the design of their packs ... This is something PowerfLite explored, but we found in our testing that this was not a viable design to offer to not just the R/C industry, but to our government, military, space exploration, and robotics customers as well.

We decided that it would be safer to include the charge safe circuitry in our chargers as opposed to the packs themselves. The main reason ... the more circuitry that is added to a battery pack, the greater the chance that that pack will develop an issue at its most critical time ... IN FLIGHT. In addition, the added circuitry to the pack is under constant vibration and other harsh conditions which could cause the charge safe protection to fail or become damaged. If this happens, there is a chance that the user could experience critical issues the next time the pack is charged. Our chargers are designed to safely charge our batteries as well as any other Lithium Ion pack that is within the same voltage (i.e. cam corders, cell phones, digital cameras, etc.). In other words, your PowerfLite charger is not a stand alone, single application system that is proprietary to JUST PowerfLite Batteries.

With regards to in flight battery pack failure due to in-pack charge safe circuitry ... I am in NO way saying that Duralite's products are prone to this issue. Duralite markets and sells a nice line of products. We hope that open forums such as this will allow both our companies to get the word out about what we offer.


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ALL Lithium Ion Questions are welcome here - 12/2/2002 2:42:46 AM   
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Rick, Sent you an e-mail.

Thanks

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ALL Lithium Ion Questions are welcome here - 12/2/2002 10:04:29 PM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by HSchlange
Rick, Sent yo