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Two questions really.... Avistar .40 and Sig Somethin e... - 1/22/2006 3:02:55 PM   
ed_cook1979



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Status: offline 		First off, i am a relative Noob when it comes to flying i Only have 12 flights under my belt total (7 of which are solo), I was a fast learner Though, by my 7th flight i was wringing the plane out all over The sky By #12 I was Getting a little bored (jeez is This ALL it can do?).. My question about The avistar is this, How Good or bad does it react to Increased Control throws (Well beyond the factory reccomended).

And for my second Question, what is everyones General impression of The Sig Somethin' extra .40. A couple of The guys at the field Steered me towards That one In particular After i told them about getting bored With the avistar Already. Its looks Like a Pretty darn nice plane to me with Some good Capabilities....


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RE: Two questions really.... Avistar .40 and Sig Somet... - 1/22/2006 4:32:54 PM   
RCKen



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Status: online 		ed_cook1979,
First of welcome to the hobby. It's the kind of addiction that is actually good!!!

The Sig Something Extra is a great plane. I've had 2 of them and they are a total blast to fly. But if you only have 12 flights on your trainer you may find that the SSE is probably going to be a handful to fly. Even though you ask "is that all it can do" about your trainer there is still quite a bit yet on it. First of all, you can do quite a lot of maneuvers with a trainer including some of the more advanced acrobatics. In fact, I've been flying for 10 years now and I still have my trainer and I still take it to the field occasionally. A lot of times when I'm trying to learn something new I will do practice it on my trainer as this will help me learn what I'm trying. With the trainer flying slower I have more time to think about what I am doing. So don't sell your trainer short, it can do a lot more than you are giving it credit for. As a test of you having done all the trainer can do try this: Take off with your trainer, right after take off roll inverted, fly the pattern of your field 3 or 4 times will staying inverted, do at least 1 outside loop while inverted, do at least one aileron roll while inverted, do at least one pass in front of you inverted (and get down to about 10' altitude), fly your approach pattern inverted, on final roll back upright, and then land. If you can do all that smoothly then you may well have done all that your trainer can do. And I'm not making this up either, this is something that I have my students do before they solo.

The SSE is definitely a "point and go" plane, meaning that it's going to go exactly where you point it. Since you only have 12 flights on your trainer it's more than likely that you're still trying to keep up with the plane, instead of being ahead of the plane while flying. This will get you in trouble with a plane as agile as the Something Extra. It will be real easy to get the plane into a situation that is going to be hard to recover from. The only difference between a championship acrobatic pilot and a new student is practice, plain and simple. When you practice flying there are a lot of things actions that become automatic and you don't have to think about what you are doing. These kind of actions are what's needed when you start flying planes like the SSE. These automatic reactions are all that stand between a very nice flying plane and a pile of balsa splinters.

I'm speaking from my own experience on this matter. After I learned to fly I picked up a Lanier 1/4 Extra 300 after I had been flying for about 3-4 months. I was definitely NOT ready for a plane that agile, my ego was cashing checks that my skills couldn't cash. And now in hindsight I can tell you that it was a huge mistake. The problem was that because of my lack of experience the plane was flying me instead of my flying the plane. I was always "reacting" to the plane instead of controlling it and have it do what I wanted it to. I was terrified every time I flew it, and flying most definitely not fun when you are scared when you're in the air.

Spend some more time on your trainer and hone your skills before moving up. The time you invest will be amply rewarded as you'll enjoy flying a lot more.

That's my 2ยข worth

Ken

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RE: Two questions really.... Avistar .40 and Sig Someth... - 1/23/2006 12:44:40 AM   
SLOWFLY58



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Status: offline 		Hi Ed
Once again RC Ken has hit the proverbial nail upon the head. Fly the wings off of it until you can comfortably do all the maneuvers he listed plus anything else you might come up with, then and only then increase the throws on the control surfaces. You will discover that you now have a very maneuverable plane.
I was out of the hobby for several years and started back with the Avistar. This is a great airplane and it can do some very nice aerobatics with increased throws. I flew the Avistar 6 to 12 flights per week for about 3 months before I thought I had exhausted it's flying capabilities. Then I increased the throws and had a blast for another 6 months, finally snapped the wing in half but I still was not bored with the plane. We are talking upward of 300 flights !!! Your saying you are bored after 12 flights ??? I thought I was getting pretty good at flying again until one of the guys said let's see you do that move inverted, man it was like starting over again. Also I started doing some slower stuff too like going out on a windy day and trying to slow the plane down until I could make it hover in one spot upright or inverted. I changed the landing gear and made a tail dragger out of it and started doing harrier type landings. What I am trying to hammer home is take your time and get to know all the things this plane is capable of before you jump to the next plane. Just my 2 cents worth.

Dale
P.S. I also went with the SSE as my second plane and was glad I spent the all those hours with the Avistar before I jumped.

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RE: Two questions really.... Avistar .40 and Sig Somet... - 1/23/2006 1:25:20 AM   
ed_cook1979



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Status: offline 		Thanks for the advice Guys, I will definatly take it to heart, I was thinking about it at work today, and i think i will get with some of our more experienced pilots And work on some sort of Real Aerobatic training before I step to Somthing That may be too much to handle (And A Costly Mistake)rather Than just Taking It up and Dancing around With some manuvers that i tried 2 or 3 times on Realflight G2.


Thanks again


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RE: Two questions really.... Avistar .40 and Sig Somet... - 1/23/2006 6:33:51 AM   
driedjello



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Status: offline 		I can do snaps and stalls with my avistar. I also converted her to a tail dragger. I finally made her a float plane. I couldn't believe how many stunts we could do with it. I flew my first on to death, probably well over 1000 hours until is was just soggy junk. I then bought a new one. I still can't do some of the stunts mentioneded in this post! (at least not at 10 feet!!!!)

I must say that in realflight, stunts are much easier. I don't fault the physics, I say that with no pressure of wrecking, you can easily perform these things without your pounding pulse getting in the way!

This was a great post, I am gonna put the wheels back on my avistar and see what I can do.

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RE: Two questions really.... Avistar .40 and Sig Somet... - 1/25/2006 6:15:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		There's at least 8 S.E.'s at our field.

The plane is a old design now and is a cross with the beginnings of 3D and Sport flying.

Yet the S.E. is a very forgiving plane. It will not tip stall on approach.

It seems to hold up for a long time.

When crashed, it seems to be easy to repair.

However, the Avistar is a great plane in its own right. You might concentrate on getting it trimmed up betterif you havn'y already? If properly trimmed, it can do a very decent AMA pattern. But the Avistar is not built as strongly as the S.E.

Enjoy,

Jim



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RE: Two questions really.... Avistar .40 and Sig Somet... - 3/1/2006 12:18:28 AM   
Gringo Flyer



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Status: offline 		I agree with needing the extra stick time on the trainer. About 3 months or so after soloing I moved on to my second plane, a 4*40 and it lasted about 5 flights. I was not ready for it at all. After destroying it I went back to my trainer and flew it for another 6 months or so before moving on. By then I was ready to move on to a second plane.

IMO you need at least 6 months flying 3-5 flights a weekend or more on a trainer before you move on.

I think a good way to do it is to buy a somethin extra or 4* kit now and take your time building it while you wring out your trainer. You will gain valuable building experience and by the time you finish the kit you should be ready to fly it.


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RE: Two questions really.... Avistar .40 and Sig Somet... - 3/1/2006 9:36:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Can you hover your Avistar? Level flat (unbanked) turn? Knife-edge figures of 8 in either direction? Snaps (inside & outside)? Clean-straight stall turns? A looong sloooow roll, with no change in heading or altitude? Flat spins (upright & inverted)? Knife-edge loop? Rolling circle?

Your Avistar can do all of that -- can you?

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