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3PK or M11?
Futaba 3PK
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Airtronics M11
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RE: 3PK or M11? - 2/26/2006 6:30:24 PM   
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For all of you people that voted for the m11: What does the M11 do better than the 3pk other than offer a fourth channel(which slows the frame rate even further than it already is)

The M11 does have 30 available model memories and a vibrator now. The Futaba T3PK has a 10-model memory, but it is expandable. Over all, the Nomadio Sensor has more features and available model memory than both the M11 and T3PK. In my house, Bennie also prefers the Futaba T3PK, but I think he likes the screen on the Nomadio Sensor. Hey Doah, did you get a Sensor yet?

http://www.airtronics.net/M11.htm
http://www.futaba-rc.com/radios/futj2900.html
http://www.nomadio.net

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< Message edited by Tigger N. Bennie -- 2/26/2006 7:11:50 PM >

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RE: 3PK or M11? - 2/26/2006 7:21:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		The 3pk will also do a graphic display of servo actions, one of the many options. So the m11 has a larger screen,ok that is one for the m11. What is the frame rate of the m11 and the nomadio? I run large scale with multiple brake sysems on each; will the M11 do brake mixing? (proportional delay on chanel 3)

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RE: 3PK or M11? - 2/26/2006 7:53:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		The servo display on the Futaba T3PK is nice when setting up and brake/servo mixing. I do like that feature. By the way, the Sensor has a "Tank Mix." According to the manual, the frame rate of the Nomadio Sensor is 100 frames per second and the latency is 10 millisecond max, 5ms typical. Whether or not the upgradeable Sensor software (both transmitter and transceiver) will be reduced down to 2ms like the HRS T3PK specific module, I don't know and haven't inquired about. Of course, the nice thing about the Sensor is the 2.4GHz transmission, the downloadable updates, ability to set up either on the computer or via the transmitter and synchronize the two, the built-in telemetry, and the ability to use any combination of analog and digital servos. Of course, the additional transceivers and sensor probes are more expensive than the "standard" Spektrum RC receivers (without the optional telemetry set up). In addition, another nice thing about the Sensor is the adjustable swivel screen--something that neither the M8/M11 or T3PK has available.

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RE: 3PK or M11? - 2/26/2006 9:19:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		TnB: I just broke my 3pk so I am in the market for a new radio system. I loved the 3pk (r.i.p.) but such is life. I remember before the nomadio came out you asked at least a million questions (maybe 2 million) about the nomadio and I see you purchased it and use it as well as a 3pk so I respect your opinion. I run primarily 1/5th scale and occasional nitro 1/8th scale (no minis, no electric) which would you suggest? I have held both and like both but it is time to decide. If I go nomadio I will have to replace all of my recievers(4) so factor this in to your recomendation. I am leaning toward the t3pk due to the reciever issue currently but I am still on the fence.

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RE: 3PK or M11? - 2/26/2006 9:57:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		As you probably know then, I kept hounding Nomadio about adding mixing capabilities like those found in the Futaba T3PK. However, I have yet to "convert" my 1/5th scale though I have been thinking about it since I may just end up using my T3PK (and boat mix) in my 1/8th scale boat which is still being set up. I also still use my Futaba T3PK since it can still do some things that the Nomadio Sensor cannot--AM.

If you don't want telemetry and so far, a 40 model memory, I probably wouldn't bother with the Sensor since I also ended up paying $100 each for the additional Sensor transceivers and sensor probes. The V2s transceivers are smaller than the V1s, but still a bear to make fit in the Mugen mbX5. Of course, telemetry can also be added to the other module transmitters later via Spektrum RC and the add-on telemetry module.

The nice thing about the Nomadio is that when they update the software online, the Sensor and transceiver firmware can also be updated. The transceiver updates by connecting to the transmitter--though a longer ribbon cable or extension would be nice so one doesn't have to pull the transceiver out of the RC. Perhaps, the electronic stores have them. However, since Nomadio is NEW and is still trying to make improvements, it may be better to hold off a while before making a purchase if possible just like pretty much any other RC product--I had one of the older V1s replaced along with a transmitter wheel. I also write that since my desktop computer recently crashed and I purchased a new notebook and it took me a while to reinstall the software because of the "unlock" keys and because my compact disk had an older version than what was already installed in both my transmitter and the transceivers. I still need to transfer the settings from my transmitter to the computer as a matter of fact. Then again, you should receive a newer software version from the start if you purchase a new Sensor.

I'm also surprised Futaba hasn't released an upgraded version of the T3PK since the other transmitter companies have been unless one is in the works.

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RE: 3PK or M11? - 2/26/2006 10:22:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wish futaba would release a new high end radio for ground with the 2048 pcm of the 14mz but I am sure that is a long way off. I think I am going to buy the t3pk as pcm is the only system I have seen with apsolutly no glitching. I have not seen the nomadio enough to witness a glitch however I have seen quite a few spectrums go crazy and send a monster beetle head on into a concrete wall(not pretty) what if that wall had been a human? 30lbs 1/5th scale is scary when control is not paramount that is why I will not use ppm therefore the to me the m11 is garbage.

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RE: 3PK or M11? - 2/27/2006 12:35:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		tigger n bennie i noticed you are running the new beta software how do you like it so far

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RE: 3PK or M11? - 2/27/2006 12:59:49 AM   
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RE: 3PK or M11? - 2/28/2006 5:45:12 AM   
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tigger n bennie i noticed you are running the new beta software how do you like it so far

I'll have to get back to you on that one. I've had "electrical" problems lately--new cell phone, new notebook, new servo....

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RE: 3PK or M11? - 2/28/2006 3:38:11 PM   
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Try before you buy!
http://support.nomadio.net/viewtopic.php?t=462

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RE: 3PK or M11? - 2/28/2006 8:27:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was going to ask bennie about the nomadio. It looks cool, i know they originally had problems with their receivers and something about them being big in size.
I have a concern about receiveing patchs (updates) to correct flaws in a computer radio (nomadio). I compare it with the difference of playing a game on a console system like xbox or on a PC. With standard radios from futaba, JR, and airtronics being console, and nomadio being like PC. The xbox will always be behind the PC in latest technology, but it is a reliable plug and play system. A PC always has software issues and compatibility issues. Games for PC often times have to get patched (updated) to high heaven before they are really good.
MY concern is how far away is the nomadio from being patched (updated) to near perfection. In other words, how long until all the bugs are worked out (it will definitely have more programming issues with it being software based). I understand that I could always download updates, but like with games, it can be annoying and no telling how long before the problem you are having is corrected.

With that said, it is very tempting to buy.

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RE: 3PK or M11? - 2/28/2006 9:30:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		in general nomadio promptly fixes firmware problems. i have not had a single glitch in my radio since i got it

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RE: 3PK or M11? - 3/13/2006 2:12:35 AM   
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