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Cosmic Wind - 11/26/2002 5:49:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just wondering whats on offer in the way of large scale Cosmic Wind, Bridi use to make a 1/4 scale version a few years back, does anybody make a large Cosmic Wind now days?

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Cosmic Wind - 11/27/2002 1:52:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you can scratch-build, I've posted plans for a slimmed-down 1/4 scale Cosmic Wind ("Little Toni", but you can paint it green and call it a "Ballerina" if you like) ... surf to http://www.home.earthlink.net/~stinger4/. There's a choice of ModelCAD or .DXF formats. Also proposed rules if you want to run it against the Great Planes Shoestring, World Models Midget Mustang, etc.

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GS Cosmic Wind - 12/2/2002 11:10:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe Dave Bridi (aka Horndog Aircraft) is still making them. They are larger than 1/4 scale. Its 42%. Look under Lil Toni aka Cosmic Wind.

http://www.madera-race.com/horndog/graphics/littlton.gif

The other one that guys were racing was the Paul Steiner Cosmic Wind. He had two versions. Both were 42%. The original won the first F-1 Race at Madera. About three years after that, Steiner made a new version with a slimmed down fuse.

Mluvara may know how to get a hold of Paul Steiner because they belong to the same club.

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Cosmic Wind - 12/3/2002 12:00:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks guys for the input, I had one inmind to suit a YS 140 DZ not so much for serious racing just fun and scale. I was hoping to find one similar in size to the Bridi 1/3 scale I guess. I remember seeing that one perform well on a O.S.90 2 stroke many years ago, the size was great for me also... eg not to big! and still glow power, although 42% may still be an option? what span would that be?

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CW - 12/3/2002 7:29:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		19.5 ft x 42% = 98.25" Your going to need a bigger engine or a smaller airplane. :-)

The 42% racers that I saw were being flown with 4.4 c.i. (75cc) A3, Husky or Aerrow gas engines, but I guess the Zenoah 445s on glow are the dominant F1 engine these days.

I found this with a little searching. This might suit your engine choice.

http://www.hacker-model.cz/news/tony.htm

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Cosmic Wind - 12/3/2002 9:53:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Marty,

Mine is a 64-in. span, 750 squares, 8.5 lbs flying weight. You could use all standard radio gear and hardware. It's designed for a .90 2-stroke, so the YS 1.40 4-stroke would be slight overkill but not out of the question. The aerobatic performance with a .90 was a pleasant surprise. I'll bet you could hover it with the 1.40.

I pulled a mold from my built-up prototype, so if you just can't find what you need anywhere else, write me back and maybe I can put together a fuselage, wing cores and plans for you.

Duane

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Cosmic Wind - 12/3/2002 10:05:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		G'day Duane Thanks for the offer, much appreciated and i may take you up on that.
I am currently waiting to here back from Hacker on availability (thanks for the info Strega) their 1/3 scale Comic Wind looks great and I am really after one of these ARF's
The Y.S. 140 DZ would be awesome in this model, although not ideal for max speed, I would be only fun flying and the odd scale rally so for me the sound and big prop 4 stroke power is ideal...

http://www.hacker-model.cz/shop/default.asp

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Re: GS Cosmic Wind - 12/3/2002 10:22:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by stregaracer007
I believe Dave Bridi (aka Horndog Aircraft) is still making them. They are larger than 1/4 scale. Its 42%. Look under Lil Toni aka Cosmic Wind.
...

Mluvara may know how to get a hold of Paul Steiner because they belong to the same club.
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Dave Bridi (son of Joe) still kits the Cosmic Wind and if you want one that large, contact him. Paul Steiner really hasn't been making any in a long time. I had one of Paul's for a few years. It was a great airplane...



Paul just seems to busy to be making kits. He built a 42% plug and mold for a Gee Bee that he's about ready to try flying again and working on other projects.

I believe that Great Planes had bought the old Bridi smaller cosmic winds along time ago and kitted them for a period. Some are still around. You might look for one or put a wanted ad out. I see them from time to time.

Michael

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Cosmic Wind - 12/18/2002 9:50:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		A company in Germany makes a Cosmic Wind in two different sizes. Here is a link http://www.modellbau-kuhlmann.de/cosmic_wind.htm


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Cosmic wind - 5/28/2003 12:42:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Duane

I just came across your plans and I going to build it - thanks alot.
BTW is it scale or semi scale ?

Thanks
Tim

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Little Toni for .91 - 5/28/2003 10:57:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tim,

I took all the outlines from the Mendenhall drawing as closely as I could, except that the fuselage is narrowed to about 2/3 of the "museum scale" thickness so it's a little less draggy and follows the same width-to-height ratio as the model Formula 1 racers we're used to such as the Terry Prather kit. Call it a semi-profile if you like; this one is still 4-1/2 inches across at the cockpit, which leaves plenty of room for the radio gear. And the height of the fuselage is reduced just enough to fit the formula specs, but the difference is barely noticeable.

One oddity I've noticed since posting the plans is, Mendenhall seems to have increased the height of the vertical fin. A recent photo of the Ballerina, one of "Little Toni's" sister ships, in a British museum (thanks to Don Stegall for forwarding it to me)shows that the fin on the real airplane is unquestionably shorter than on the drawings. I've seen other folks' models that appear to have been based on the drawings rather than the real airplanes, and they, too, seem to have a disproportionately tall fin. The extra fin area does no harm, of course, but last Sunday night after I got home from flying it, I whipped out my Zona saw and chopped an inch off the top of the fin. It now looks about right compared to the photo ... and, more importantly from my point of view, I can now slip it in and out of my Subaru Legacy wagon without bumping into the cross-beam that I set my wings on.

For anyone who just tuned in, the plans and the proposed formula specs (which recently passed the initial vote of the AMA R/C Racing Contest Board) are posted at the following site:

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~stinger4/

Sorry about the remedial site design -- I've been so busy pulling together airplanes for the "real" AMA events at the Nats in July that I haven't yet trotted out the Web page software to make it look like anything. But the "Readme" file explains what it's all about.

DHG

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Cosmic Wind - 5/29/2003 6:44:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the photo of the Ballerina ...

I know about the NATS Push ... I'm in a big push and things are getting jettisoned already. I had hoped to go up to Bowie to watch and report on the race, but I've got so much to do just to get the Q-500 program in order, that I'm probably going to have to miss the race.

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Cosmic Wind - 5/29/2003 6:56:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		One interesting note is that at least one set of three views shows the area from the wing trailing edge to the tail as a flat area with effectively a right angle to the sides. In this photo of #5, that area is definitely rounded. I think the originals (Little Toni and Minnow) had a flat area, because I've seen pictures where they looked like the drawings.

When dad came out with the second version of the Stegall Minnow and it was rounded back there, there was a big deal about it. Of course, when he came out with the Stegall Super Minnow that was concave in the area behind the wing, there was an even bigger controversy.

I now have the molds for all of the Stegall Minnows but the first one. At some point I'm going to make some. I'm still in the process of acquiring all of the templates and tooling.

BTW, what name was the Cosmic Wind #7 given?

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Cosmic Wind - 5/29/2003 2:08:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the info -

I built a rubber band Cosmic wind many years ago as a kid. I still remember it was Race 4 - N21C and was a browny colour.

If you have any pictures to share of any of them I would really
appreciate it.

Tim
South Africa

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