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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 5/25/2009 6:10 PM   
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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 5/25/2009 6:24 PM   
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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 5/25/2009 8:45 PM   
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And we all thinking, where did he get that color scheme from?

Silk and dope covered enlarged "sport" Orion of Ed Kazmirski with inverted 30 years old ENYA 60 4 c engine and retracts.
But TripleDeucer I must say, your plane is a beauty, good luck with it.

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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 5/26/2009 11:51 AM   
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That Quaker of yours  is quite beautiful, I like the Quaker but your model may be even TOO beautiful for a Quaker.

I immediately recognised the fin but the rest of it? I had to look in my archives of Quakers to realise it was all Quaker.

The colour scheme ls superb, it's hard to realise what a difference colour can make, almost camoflage.

My hearty congratulations.


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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 5/31/2009 8:42 AM   
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It is a nice day to look at the old pictures.

After I did use Japanese tissue in the early days, I did step over to silk and dope and never changed.
An example!
In the past there were days I did have to write my name with black characters on SOME pictures.
We did have a teacher and a son in our club, they did a range check near their car with our channels.
Yes they came later from the parking place to our field. The planes were all right, ready to go>

This wasn’t a biplane, these were 2
It was the first time it did happened, these were 2

But!!!!!!!!
Look the wing of my plane, left side and my brother right side.

No, SILK and DOPE covering isn’t dead, but we could …………..

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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 5/31/2009 7:59 PM   
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Radio made me think that models would lead a long life, my mistake.


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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 5/31/2009 9:07 PM   
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I am lucky I have much more and better story's
There is one, about 30 years old glider still flying, probably also today in Germany.
My brother owns this plane now.
Silk and dope covered models can live for many years when there are no failures.

Picture of that plane, ASK 18, in the Eiffel Germany,

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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 5/31/2009 9:11 PM   
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Hi Guys, Thanks for the good words on my Quaker allthough I didn't copy anything from the Taurus. In fact, I've never seen it before. I will admit that I am inspired by ALL oldtimers as a whole. A person can't help that, eh Taurus Flyer?

 Anyway, after 25 Quakers, I think that is enough. Would like to build a big New Ruler as I have always liked the lines of it. Now to find a good plan.

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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 5/31/2009 9:14 PM   
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Taurus Flyer, too bad your pics won't load any larger on my puter. I would like to see them in full screen.

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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 5/31/2009 9:19 PM   
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It was a little yoke from me,

What's really nice on your plane is the 3D effect of the two colors.
Because the painting is a lot of work, I know your decoration is much more complicated because of the dimensions of the "curves" spanwise from root to tip (hope you understand?)
Gives an very nice effect, congrats.

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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 5/31/2009 9:23 PM   
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On my screen they are 6 x 8 inch, the second picture I did make with a scanner and has a bad resolution.
The first picture I can send you by e-mail if you want.

We do fly on that location for about 30 years in this pentecost period together with german pilots.


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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 6/1/2009 1:20 AM   
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I have used pretty much all the coverings.  I now live in an apartment and  have no workshop so I will build the kit with CA and probably cover with a film of some sort.  I cannot use dope in this place.


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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 6/1/2009 4:26 AM   
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Cees,

I understand what you mean.  Now when I come back, your pictures load up fine and I can see them in full res screen. Your countryside where you fly sailplanes is very beautiful. What a relaxing place to be, for sure.

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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 6/1/2009 10:32 AM   
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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 6/1/2009 12:51 PM   
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Hi Guys, Thanks for the good words on my Quaker allthough I didn't copy anything from the Taurus. In fact, I've never seen it before. I will admit that I am inspired by ALL oldtimers as a whole. A person can't help that, eh Taurus Flyer?

 Anyway, after 25 Quakers, I think that is enough. Would like to build a big New Ruler as I have always liked the lines of it. Now to find a good plan.

Mark




My understanding is that yours is the Quaker Flash, one of many Quaker designs. The Flash is eligible for Antique events, but I'm not sure anout others such as the Super Quaker. The Super Quaker is competitive in Duration events.



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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 6/6/2009 10:05 PM   
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Cees,

I understand what you mean.  Now when I come back, your pictures load up fine and I can see them in full res screen. Your countryside where you fly sailplanes is very beautiful. What a relaxing place to be, for sure.

Mark




Hello Mark,

A short message about that glider location. Eiffel Germay, several hundreds of miles from the place I live, in the Netherlands.
I did get a telephonecall from my brother, the glider did make several successful flights from about one hour, longest was 2 hours 7 minutes.
A lot of people did make pictures these year, I will have them after some weeks, are you interested to see some.

Is dope & fabric covering dead? No the glider is 28 years old we did calculate and is still alive.

BTW, is fabric = silk?

Cees

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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 6/7/2009 3:52 AM   
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BTW, is fabric = silk?

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Yes.  Fabric = "Cloth" (Silk, rayon, polyester, old bed sheets, etc) and for this discussion, perhaps even jap tissue, silkspan, and paper that's been sealed with dope (or something similar).

This thread wasn't intended to be an anti-Monokote discussion (or any oher brand of heat-shrunk plastic covering) and I'm happy that no one has tried to turn it into one.  I started it because it seems that all I've heard about is plastic covering since I came back into the hobby a couple of years ago and I was wondering if any of the old (pre-Monokote) methods were still being used.  I'm tickled that this thread is still thriving and that many posters have contributed their stories!  And the pictures are absolute proof that ARFs haven't completely taken over the hobby yet!  (Still lots of fine talent out there in "builder land"!)

Thanks All!

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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 6/7/2009 4:15 AM   
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I love the old silk and dope methods and looks, but I have to admit the heat shrinking thing has its merrits, Its getting tougher and tougher to walk into a hobby store and find some good ol full build kits, but they are out there, I love building all my planes, and once we move I'm sure I'll be silk wrapping again, I just tried doing it on my BUSA 1/4 scale DR-1 a month ago and after 2 weeks of fumin out the house I had to stop as we are trying to sell right now, it shouldn't have taken so long, but I was given the fabric by someone and thought I was mixing wrong because it wouldn't shrink, anyway I talked to the guy who gave it to me and he told me oh sorry that stuff might have been preshrunk and he forgot, so that ended that. But i was really lookig foward to it, I hope to do it on my next build next winter, I want to build a sopwith.and most likely will.

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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 6/7/2009 12:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Most of the planes I build are silk and doped. But there are some I've used plastic to a small or great extent.
The end result is what I look at, if silk gets me there fine, it plastic wiorks that's fine too.
Aeromaster, Trainermaster, and Minimaster, are silk and dope.
Roaring 20, just clear and tissue for trim.
Sparky, Tissue and dope wings and tail. Plastic fuse.
Small Shoestring ,tissue and clear with color trim.
Taurus , and large Shoestring, Ultracote.
Sidewinder  all brands of plastic scraps.
I like anything that makes my life easier or my planes look better.

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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 6/7/2009 4:36 PM   
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And I have to admit that I, too, own a heat shrink gun and iron for those times when a plastic covering is more appropriate.  There is no arguement that plastic coverings have their advantages over the older methods.  Let's face it, a good silk and dope job can take weeks to do and will smell up the house in the process whereas a night or two will usually yield a good Monokote job without the smell or mess!  BUT a good fabric job will usually produce more ohhhhs and ahhhhs at the flying field.

However, I'm disappointed in that few, if any, of the How-To-Do-It books include any mention of dope and fabric coverings while there is LOTS of info available on how to do a great iron-on job.   I just don't want the old ways to completely die away due to sole focus on shrink-wrapping.

However, admittedly, popularity of a product or method is what drives the hobby; much like the ARF-vs-kit dilemma.

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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 6/7/2009 5:01 PM   
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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 6/7/2009 5:53 PM   
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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 6/7/2009 5:56 PM   
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Yup the best thing about silk and dope is not only the end result in looks but just how much more strong the plane is also, Silk and dope glues the whole thing together as 1,,,,,,,,, Love that.

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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 6/7/2009 7:01 PM   
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Yup the best thing about silk and dope is not only the end result in looks but just how much more strong the plane is also, Silk and dope glues the whole thing together as 1,,,,,,,,, Love that.


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The glider I did show before.
This picture is 28 years old the ASK18 wasn't paint yet on that picture. Big Lift to pull the plane.
Second picture of the same periode. Winter, strong wind and nice thick air.


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RE: Is dope & fabric covering dead? - 6/8/2009 7:27 PM   
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Now the other pic looks like a whole lotta fun going on there.

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