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RE: nitroplanes.com FW 190 Build - 5/8/2007 5:20:55 AM   
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RE: nitroplanes.com FW 190 Build - 5/9/2007 5:41:14 AM   
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RE: nitroplanes.com FW 190 Build - 5/14/2007 6:31:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm seriously, seriously considering getting this plane. It just looks so nice. It would be the CMP version (the desert camo one). I would actually rather have the WAR version, just because I like it's color better and instead of repainting I could simply put a clear coat on it, but I will probably end up repainting it anyways. Would also be nice to save $30 but the WAR isn't in stock anywhere.

I was talking to someone at the field about a CMP they were building (I believe it was a Corsair) and they had mentioned they had issues with how the wings were attached. Could someone show me some pictures of how they do it? Did you have any problems with it?

I'm going to put a 23.6cc Kioritz into it, without magneto. Should balance up ok without any, or very little, weight added. Does it come in hot without the flaps? I'm going to use flaps, just wondering how the handling is.

By the way, what are the differences between the W.A.R. and CMP versions of this plane, besides the color? Anyone know a place that has the WAR (on sale!) version in stock?

Everyone mentions the hardware is junk and to use your own stuff. What about it is so bad, in particular? What else exactly do I need to buy? Is the fuel tank junk? Pushrods (are the dowel ok?)? The retracts that you can have installed from nitroplanes.com, junk? What other brand retracts will fit? The guy at our field that was building his said he bought some retracts (I can't remember the particular brand) and they wouldn't fit.

And what's with the dealers that distribute these planes not answering their email? Man, that is annoying. I shot out an email to AK Models about a week ago asking what retracts they use as well as posting in their forums, no reply. I sent an email asking Nitroplanes when their 190's would be in stock again, no reply (and they don't answer the "when will it be in stock" thread in their support forum, either). What other dealers sell these kits? I want someone I can get ahold of without having to call on my lunch break.

Last question: does anyone have video?

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RE: nitroplanes.com FW 190 Build - 5/14/2007 8:39:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Original CMP version at AK Models in Iowa. The shipping on mine to FL was only 19 via Fed Ex. It looks like he has 5 in stock. Good luck.

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RE: nitroplanes.com FW 190 Build - 5/14/2007 4:30:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		First off don't make the mistake I did and get the wrong "non-CMP" FW190. It is exactly the same plane except for the servo tray and fuel tank mounts. (There is no fuel tank placement on mine. Built my own.)
The MOST IMPORTANT aspect of buying the wrong FW was of course the FOAM CORE WING. The CMP comes with a fully built up wing. Mine is a foam core with the spar and light sheeting. Don't get me wrong,,, it flys great. Most foam wing kits are killer flyers with tons of lift because of the light wing. BUT,,,,,,, retracts are a nightmare. I've built the rails and boxes twice now.
I fly from pavement but once visited a friend's club in Oklahoma City where it was grass. I Never got off the ground before the gear broke out of the wing. Since then I've done some extensive research here on foam wings and hopefully have a stronger rail box. I used Sumo Glue "by Loctite". Like Gorrilla Glue it expands but stays plyable. Will give but not break like more brittle glues. My retracts are 704 series SpringAirs (74.deg) with custom 8" Robinaire struts. Lee's struts are not flimsy at all and weigh a bit more than Robarts, etc but will not bend. They do however add weight to an already weak rail box that has no place to attach to within the foam LE area of the wing like a fully built up wing has.
Sorry to go on and on boring you but I thought the advice was warranted.

Now for me,,, the rest of the plane is solid and works well. If someone could measure from the front to the back at the very middle of their (true built up CMP wing) basically the mounting area. Then I could determine if a true CMP wing would fit my FW and try to order one from Nitro Models, etc.
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RE: nitroplanes.com FW 190 Build - 5/14/2007 5:12:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sturtz, just so no one is confused, the CMP plane has a fully sheeted foam core wing as well.



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RE: nitroplanes.com FW 190 Build - 5/14/2007 5:26:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for the info and the PM !!! Was a case of being mis-informed by another CMP 190 owner. I thought I had the cheapy and the others had a solid wing. After more research I have found that they both come from the exact same factory in Asia. CMP is on an improvement campaign and this is where a few of the better features like the fuel tank area, etc can be found on the original CMP. I have two or three more of these CMP warbirds and they say CMP on the firewall. I also have an original GSP/CMP MkII Spitfire . This 190 is the only foamcore wing in the bunch.


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RE: nitroplanes.com FW 190 Build - 5/14/2007 5:46:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I won't be going with air retracts. Any idea of what the ones that come with it from nitroplanes.com are like? Using mechanical retracts does it use one servo, or two?

I've never put in retracts so I think I'll get a local expert to lend me a hand. I'll also have him go over the kit when I get it. Well, if I get it, I haven't bought it yet

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RE: nitroplanes.com FW 190 Build - 5/15/2007 12:06:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		air is much easier , if you can afford the differance they are really nice

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RE: nitroplanes.com FW 190 Build - 5/15/2007 12:19:03 AM   
Sturtz



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Status: offline 		Do they even make any mechanicals that will support that much plane ? I had to switch from 3/8" to 7/16" oleo struts.
Seems a 3/16" music wire strut would bend and wiggle just sitting there idling.


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RE: nitroplanes.com FW 190 Build - 5/15/2007 1:40:21 AM   
ticketec


 

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Status: offline 		Sturz is right,

I did my maiden on 3/16th music wire cos i could wait to get the right legs on, and she just wallowed around on the gear.

Actucally, on the first landing which was a geaser landing, the R/H music wire just snapped off just short of the mechanical retract. Held the wings level till the ailerons didn't have much effect and also shut the engine down at the same time. no damage.

Lenny at Shindin Retracts is about to have a set of "drop-in" air retracts for this Fw-190 and i have been working with him the last couple of weeks with measurements to get it all right. should be ready this week or early next hopefully.

LDM is right, once you have used air retracts, mechanical seem such a pain to setup and are not as nice as air

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RE: nitroplanes.com FW 190 Build - 5/15/2007 2:50:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		mechanicals fool you in price , you need oleos or why bother , they will run you in the US about $70 for two , then add a good retracts servo =$30 min , then add the mechanical retracts that will run anywhere from $25 on up you are at $125 minium with plenty of hassel to tweek and set up .
Plus with this set up you have to cut /hammer the incert in and tap the struts to hold onto the legs , for $225 you can get CJ gear ready to drop in complete with heavy duty struts and air tank

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RE: nitroplanes.com FW 190 Build - 5/15/2007 6:16:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		The oleo seem extremely optional. I've already got a huge heavy duty retract servo, that's why I'm asking if I need two or one.

I'm not paying over $200 so my landing gear can move while I'm in the air, I'll just use fixed gear if I can't find some mechanicals. Nitroplanes has retracts that are preinstalled, what are they using and how do they work? I'm not interested in air retracts, there is no possible way that I can afford them and even if I could before I would spend that much on retracts I would buy another plane

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RE: nitroplanes.com FW 190 Build - 5/15/2007 11:22:51 AM   
LDM


 

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Status: offline 		I understand , I buy retracts for two reasons , reduced air flow while flying for both flight and scale appearance and the functional oleos for less wear and tear on the airframe while on the ground in take off and landing positions .
Personally I dont know if I would trust the Nitro Rc retracts nor do I know anyone on RCU that has used them , I rather suggest you email Robart /Dave Brown /or B& D for there suggestions on mechanicals for the weight of your plane .This way your dealing with a credible RC person and that can save you time and money .
I know Dave Brown has P51 style gear listed on Towers site as well as Robart , that will be the closest mechanicals you will get .
You could aslo try the Hanger 9 P51 style gear , dont know how people feel about them but they are in use at my field .

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