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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butche... - 6/14/2007 2:01:05 AM   
gundamnitpete


 

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Joined: 6/7/2006
From: , MI, USA
Status: offline 		just thought i'd share my FW-190 experience....


bought the planea few months ago as my first RC aircraft, after hours reading here on RCU i decided it was the better plane, over the mustang (my first choice).

i spent a little time on a simulator at the hobby shop, and took the plane for a flight.

first flight went great, i got a little over board with it tho, flew for a lil to long and the motor cut off at a not so good time. landed the plane on it's belly, no damage whatso ever.

second flight, also great, until i got disorented, got inverted about 10 feet off the ground, and pulled up right into the ground, broken inner structure.

replaced the structure, and went for a third flight. it went well, until some wind knocked the plane over, and again, went nose into the ground.

just replaced the fuse, and gearbox, and flew it again today.

the plane flys like a dream, i honestly find no downsides with to what so ever, aside from the motor pinion, which slipped in flight today, i was able to glide the plane down fine tho.

it'll loop, roll, fly inverted.

all in all, a VERY good buy for 180$, just wait for a good day to fly it, my most expensive repair was from being impateitn on a non calm day.

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butche... - 6/15/2007 1:15:18 AM   
mezd



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From: Adelaide, AUSTRALIA
Status: offline 		I had simmilar problems with my FW, i also had the same thing with a Hobbyzone Aerobird extreme.
In both cases i have been very lucky, my local hobby shop is the importer for PZ & HZ and both times they have swapped the reveiver over for me - no questions asked.

I can only assume that it is a very common problem - however like someone else said, you get what you pay for.

All this asside - i love my FW, think its great fun!

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butche... - 6/15/2007 1:16:43 AM   
mezd



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Status: offline 		Hey Pete,

Good to hear you doing so well - did you say this is your first plane? How was the addrenalin on you first launch?!!

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butche... - 6/17/2007 2:37:33 AM   
gundamnitpete


 

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From: , MI, USA
Status: offline 		haha, yes my first plane, and i'm very much into the hobby, tons fo fun!

bad news tho, yesterday i took the plane for another flight. the first one went okay, but at the end the motor cut and i didn't have enough power to avoid a tree (entirely).

plane clipped a small branch and did one cartwheel on the ground, i went and took a look, and it was fine, to my eyes anyway.

we rechared, and went for another flight.

apparently, the wing suffered major spar damage, because on the second flight, during a split S, the right wing folded.

the plane lawndarted directly into a tree. lucky, ALL the electronics were fine, and i had a spare fuse (i ordered one a while back, and it was damaged at the LHS, so i got a new one and the damaged one free).

so today, i swapped all the eletronics over to the spare fuse, and bought a new wing.

took the plane for a flight today, and it flew beautifully. perfect flight and perfect landing.

tomarrow we will see how things go

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butch... - 6/18/2007 1:25:31 AM   
mezd



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From: Adelaide, AUSTRALIA
Status: offline 		Yes i have just finished rebuilding mine after a.. lets say radio glitch! Was doing a full throttle bank turn and the stick went dead - so i watched it do a beautiful nose dive!
Put a new internal structure into it, glued up the fuse and put in a new receiver ( off other plane).
My front cowl is now held together with clear packaging tape, but i dont want to put a new one on until im sure she's ok!!

Wont get her out until the weekend now though!

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butche... - 6/18/2007 3:05:03 AM   
rleed


 

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From: Ida Grove, IA, USA
Status: offline 		Wow ..Horizon replaced my wrecked FW-190 no questions asked! I had a radio glitch that resulted in its destruction, sent it back and they replaced it. Hats off to Horizon, this kind of service is becoming very, very rare these days. On another note, has anyone ever considered/attempted to add a couple of degrees of dihedral to the wing of the FW? I think it would be pretty easy. Simply split the wing and re-attach it with ca and some fiber mesh material with spacers under each wing tip to get the desired angle. If more strength is desired you could insert a couple of sub spars into the foam at the joint. I think this may add some inherent stability to this plane and make it a little easier to fly. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks, RLeed

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butche... - 6/18/2007 5:11:28 AM   
gundamnitpete


 

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Status: offline 		flew again today. the plane flies great, although i did notice a big tendency to snap roll when pulling hard G's (pulling up from a high speed loop)


i've found the plane flies best with the CG about 1/4 to 1/2 and inch forward of the front line of the "CG box" on the bottom of the wing. even with this setup, the plane wants to climb at full throttle, and flies extremely gracfully at 1/2 throttle.

one word of adivce, when banking, keep the nose down, the plane will tip stall very easy, i find that banking into the turn, and then givving it a little bit of out alieron works well.


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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butch... - 6/18/2007 5:31:27 AM   
mezd



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Status: offline 		Yes mine climbs as full throttle, i have mine trimmed to fly straight at just above 1/2 throttle.

I usually use quite a bit of elevator when i bank mine - but i like pulling the turns tight... thats just me.

Have you inverted yet - i find with mine that you need almost full down elevator to keep it straight...... but that just could be because of the way i have it trimmed.

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butch... - 6/18/2007 3:49:09 PM   
gundamnitpete


 

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Status: offline 		inverted mine will fly level with about 1/2 stick, which kinda feels like full, haha.

what clevis is your elevator at? mine is second from the shortest, i was thinking of going with the shortest, but it's very pitch sensitive anyway.

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butche... - 6/18/2007 6:06:21 PM   
gunracer



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quote:

ORIGINAL: rleed

has anyone ever considered/attempted to add a couple of degrees of dihedral to the wing of the FW?...I think this may add some inherent stability to this plane and make it a little easier to fly.


low wing warbirds, especially the fighters, are meant to be inherently unstable to some degree...this is what gives them their aerobatic capabilities...if you add dihedral to the wings, she won't roll, turn and fly inverted as well...the really crucial thing on this model is the center of gravity...once you get that figured out, she's solid...

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butch... - 6/18/2007 6:12:32 PM   
gundamnitpete


 

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Status: offline 		lol, well i flew it directly into a tree at 1/2 throttle, accidently. luckily it was at the park just down the road form my house, it's still about 100 feet up in the air, i'm hoping for a big gust of wind to bring it down sometime today, otherwise it's spitfire for me! haha

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butche... - 6/18/2007 9:56:19 PM   
rleed


 

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Status: offline 		I may get a bare wing and give it a try just for the heck of it. I had 5 flights on my previous FW till the radio freaked out. I was flying it w/o the extra nose weight and the battery located foward in the battery tray. It balanced out per the instructions this way. Now I get to start all over again. I'll advise on how it turns out and maybe post some pics of the wing mod. RLeed

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butch... - 6/19/2007 1:08:28 AM   
gundamnitpete


 

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Status: offline 		rleed, while you've got the wing sperated, you might as well throw a carbon fiber rod in the wings to give the spar some extra strength.

i find the plane flies best with the prop weight, imho.


i got the plane back, the tail was ripped off, so i'm glueing ti back now, and the interstructure is broken so i have one ordered already.

< Message edited by gundamnitpete -- 6/19/2007 1:09:29 AM >

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butch... - 6/19/2007 3:08:20 AM   
rleed


 

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Status: offline 		That was the plan for the wing, For $35 it may be fun to see if 2 degrees of dihedral affects its flight characteristics. I can't leave well enough alone, I'll probably end up crashing another one!!

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