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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butcher Bird - 6/9/2006 4:31:52 PM   
L0stS0ul



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Status: offline 		wow, I guess I must be doing something wrong then cause I bought my P-51 over a year ago now, I have over 130 flights on it. I have only gone thru 2 motors in that time (replaced around the 70 flight mark), I've never had a pinion slip on me, and on the pack that originally came with the plane I still get around 10 minutes of flight. My newer pack I do get around 12 if I push it to cutoff. The plane flies very well with no bad habits at all.


http://media.putfile.com/Acrobatics-with-the-Parkzone-P-51

Other than my initial cost of $170 when I bought it I think I've spent a total of $40 maintaining it. My biggest complaint about the plane is the battery hatch. I break one almost every 5 flights or so. Other than that it's a great plane.

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butcher Bird - 6/9/2006 5:09:45 PM   
htjoel


 

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Totally agree with LostSoul. Again, these are planes meant to be built for convenience and fun, not for competition or 3D aerobatic flying! I am able to get 10-12 min (mixed WOT and some aerobatics) out of newest NiMh batt that came with the FW-190, and at least 8-10 min out of the older batts that I have from the Mustang. This is why I haven't switched to LiPo yet, with the 3 NiMh batts that I own I've never really had an issue with flight times!

If my building skills were up to it, then I would probably do something full-boat, like the Hyperion Mustang with retracts, but I really prefer to spend what free time I have flying rather than building. Again keep in mind what these planes are made for, to get people like me with no time to build the opportunity to fly something that doesn't look like a trainer and is easy enough to maintain that it doesn't become a 'Hangar Queen'.

Just my .02 worth,
Joel

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butcher Bird - 6/9/2006 11:08:01 PM   
Venom_14



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Status: offline 		Hey everyone,

After a long time deciding what to get, i have finally come to the conclusion that i am going to buy the PZ Focke Wulf...

Are there any hints or tips you can give me for my first flight, i don't want to crash it and rip it apart on my first flight... I get nervous at the beginning of flying a plane for the first time, even with my first plane that is almost indestructible. I'm probably most worried about the speed more than anything.
Is there anything to watch out for, and whats recommended for landing?

I know people have said stuff about this aircraft, but most of it is compared with the P-51 and i haven't flown that, my experience is with a pod and boom plane (electrafun) and then the PZ J-3 cub,( i've got plenty of successfully flights with the cub.)

Now i want something more exciting to fly and for my dad it watch... as he has to stand around waiting for me to finish...

So overall,

- Does it have to be flown fast so it doesn't stall?

- What to do for landing?

- Is the plane easy to take apart and fix?

- Does anyone have anything else to say?

Sorry about all the questions... but if i dont want to obliterate it on my first flight, (and my dad wont be happy about wasting £120 quid.)

Thanks very much in advance,

Alex


P.S, anyone got any vids, all i can find is the PZ one?


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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butcher Bird - 6/10/2006 8:18:03 AM   
Rube Goldberg


 

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Status: offline 		1) toss it into the wind with the wings level and about 3 clicks of UP elevator (that is 3 clicks DOWN from the center trim position on the transmitter!)
2) Have what ever hand you are holding the transmitter with keeping your index finger very close to the push button "engine kill switch". This way if you have a bad launch, you can at least stop the engine quickly without moving the throttle slide in order to save your pinion gear when the plane hits the ground.

Be careful of the aileron extension cable to aileron cable connector. The male end with the pins is prone to let the heat shrink tubing slip back away from the connector and pulling the pins out of the connector as it slips. If the ailerons don't work after repeated wing removal (to fix the pinion gear on the motor....) it is most likely at least one of the pins has slipped and or the solder connection has broken.

Airplane repair kit: Foam compatible CA glue and accelerant and a roll of clear tape. My FW-190 made a misguided turn after launch and went WOT into a pine/sassafras thicket about 20' up. Shook it out of the pine tree, collected the missing chunk of the fuselage.....used 3/32 X 1/16 balsa strips to span the hole in the fuselage then glued the chunk back in and applied the clear tape.

Have fun! I think it is the MUCH better of the two compared to the P-51. Oh....get spare batteries and you'll realize that the definition of "eternity" is right at about 40 minutes!

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butcher Bird - 6/10/2006 10:48:02 AM   
jcflysrc



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wow, I guess I must be doing something wrong then cause I bought my P-51 over a year ago now, I have over 130 flights on it. I have only gone thru 2 motors in that time (replaced around the 70 flight mark), I've never had a pinion slip on me, and on the pack that originally came with the plane I still get around 10 minutes of flight. My newer pack I do get around 12 if I push it to cutoff. The plane flies very well with no bad habits at all.


Just saying I only got 16 flights before the p gear crapped out. Not saying you or anyone else is doing anything wrong. Including myself. If I do "upgrade" the motor, it will be because I am tired of the geared setup...paying for new ones etc. To date I have around fifty flights on mine, and I have spent only $10.99 plus 8.5% sales tax on maintaining it...and that's IT! Not one single problem with my hatch either.

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Totally agree with LostSoul. Again, these are planes meant to be built for convenience and fun, not for competition or 3D aerobatic flying!


Whoever said they were? I think my point was lost in reference to the upgrade of the motor. I was reffering to an upgrade in quality...not necessarily performance. I'm sure PZ loves the fact that you are willing to buy those spare engines. I for one would pay a little extra for an engine I could get a few more flights on, and if I get a little more performance in the process, then that's ok too. It simply illustrates the fact that I like the plane.

There IS something to be said for convenience...like how fast food kinda satisfies you when your in a hurry...but you wouldn't want to eat it all the time. And I bet a lot of people who compete, and fly 3D aerobatic have fun.

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butcher Bird - 6/10/2006 1:38:30 PM   
tclaridge



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Status: offline 		Venom,
Here is an approach I use on the P-51. I also use this for all my planes, but this is a good approach for a low-wing warbird. Tip-stall on landing when you are low and slow leads to those ugly cart wheels.
Good luck.

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butcher Bird - 6/10/2006 6:10:31 PM   
Venom_14



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Status: offline 		Thanks for your advice Rube Goldberg and tclaridge,

I didn't manage to get it today , Hopefully tomorrow... The weather is perfect down here so hopefully my first flight will a success.

Alex

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butcher Bird - 6/11/2006 11:27:11 PM   
gundamnitpete


 

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Status: offline 		is there any flight video of this plane? all i can find on the website is a short little clip...



does it have the same tendancy to torque roll at takeoff like a the P-51? what about tip stalls?

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butcher Bird - 6/12/2006 3:07:22 AM   
gunracer



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Status: offline 		i have not noticed any torque roll or tip stall tendancies...at stall, the nose drops but the wing stays level...the airfoil design has a lot to do with it...great flying model...

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butcher Bird - 6/12/2006 3:23:30 AM   
Rube Goldberg


 

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Status: offline 		Just thought I'd pass along my comments of the Parkzone P51D vs. the Parkzone FW-190 for those "on the fence" thinking of purchasing either one.

If money up front is a factor, go with the FW-190 and perhaps a spare NiMH battery pack for another $20 or so. It is much easier to successfully hand launch than the P-51D, and it will actually perform quite well on the stock NiMH batteries. As for the P-51D with the stock NiMH batteries---compared to the FW-190 it is pitiful. IF you manage to hand launch it, it has almost enough power to get out of its own way. And I'm not so sure there wasn't a major snafu in the design---I think they designed and built the P-51D to balance at the correct CG WITHOUT a NiMH cell in place. Now, that being said, I flew both today with the difference about another $200 out of my wallet to cover a Thunder Power 2100 LiPo battery + celectra charger + Thunder Power cell balancer and fit the LiPo to the P-51D. NOW the Mustang performs like it should. Hand launches a LOT easier and at wide open throttle upon the hand launch it will just about disappear in 5 seconds! Run time was right at 16 minutes, and there was absolutely NO warning the battery was nearing discharge. It just went "dead stick" and I managed to land no problem.

So my pick for the money would definitely be the FW-190. I think Parkzone now offering either with the LiPo battery (you'll still have to fork over the extra $$$ for a charger and a balancer) is the way they should have sold the planes in the first place. Unless they are trying to be GM and make the profit on the service/parts sales with all the busted up P-51s!

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butcher Bird - 6/12/2006 4:35:30 AM   
L0stS0ul



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Status: offline 		I still think the P-51 flies just fine on the stock setup... Has more then enough power for me... Of course I can say that all day but I like to have video to prove it

http://media.putfile.com/Acrobatics-with-the-Parkzone-P-51

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butcher Bird - 6/12/2006 8:00:44 AM   
Venom_14



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Status: offline 		Lost soul,

Your video dosn't work... have you checked it?

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butcher Bird - 6/12/2006 8:05:02 AM   
Fort Knox


 

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Status: offline 		I think that it sounds like the fw-190 is a better deal? is this true? i am gonna get it or the p-51....

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RE: ParkZone NEW FW-190 Butcher Bird - 6/12/2006 9:43:40 AM   
maiden-crash



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Status: offline 		Last week I went to my LHS to buy the stryker and saw the fw190. The owner said that it performs twice as well compared to the mustang and it doesnt have to be flown full throttle to keep it in the air.

Fort Knox, Have you flown before? If you have not flown, dont waste your time and money on either the fw190 or the mustang. They are simply to advanced. If you have flown a trainer, still dont go with the Fw190 or Mustang, but the stryker. The stryker flies fast and slow, doesnt stall at even a low speed and glides like a bird. Oh yeah, Its faster than both the fw190 and mustang by 20 kmph (stock) so when your ready, dont worry about speed. On the other hand, the mustang and fw do not fly slow, are very difficult to hand launch and have a tendency to tip stall, you also have to stay ahead of them at all times. Sure, they may look better than the stryker (which actually looks good itself) but they wont save you as much money, infact they'll just eat it away. You can ask anyone around