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RE: New CMP 50-sized Corsair - 1/15/2007 11:54:58 PM   
Larry S



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Hell yeah its still airworthy


cathurga, take both Zeno and my word, it flies great. It's been a while since I posted on here and over time many horror stories have been told about this plane. There isn't a thing on this plane that isn't hard to change for the better. Someone else had asked about the CMP 50 Corsair and wanted to know what should be done to make it a better plane to fly. What I did was write out everything I did to mine that I know was worth the time. IF anyone wants to know the changes I made, I'll post it. Easy to copy and print. I just don't want to put the same things in different posts, takes up space and can be a pain in the butt to those reading them. If somebody really wants to know, I'll post them.
Larry

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RE: New CMP 50-sized Corsair - 1/16/2007 2:25:06 PM   
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Larry, I am keen to know, and sharing info is what the forums are all about right...post away buddy!

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RE: New CMP 50-sized Corsair - 1/16/2007 3:20:35 PM   
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Before I post the changes I made, you might want to think about this in trying to decide if the modifications are worth the time and trouble. Late last year, I was fooling around, doing touch and goes, etc when on one take off, it snapped in, my fault. The plane went in nose first breaking a nylon prop and knocked off the wing. Damage to plane: wing, none. Fuselage including cowl, scratched all to hell, simple fix with airbrush. The skin had small cracks, more like fractures and I fill them in with micro ballons. The paint I mixed looked close but went on darker then I wanted but after looking the bird over, it looks cool. It looks weathered like a war bird should. All formers including the firewall held up. No wood parts were broke. IF I hadn't done the extra work, I would be buying a new plane. So here goes.

Changes I did to CMP 50 Corsair:

Coarse sand complete inside of cowl. Mount dummy engine on 1/16 ply and using heavy fiberglass material, epoxy dummy engine in cowl. I found it was easier to insert dummy engine exactly where I wanted it then applying three or four drops of thigh CA and use an accelerator to hold it in place until the epoxy sets. I used the fiberglass material and epoxy on the joint between the dummy engine and sides of cowl and turned the cowl on it’s nose to let any excess epoxy run into the nose of the cowl. Use strips of cloth and overlap each one. Epoxy that ran into front ( nose ) will strengthen that area. Noseovers won’t break the cowl as easily. After that sets, use 3/4 glass cloth and do the complete inside of the cowl being careful not to get any epoxy on the painted surface. Now you have a strong cowl. Where ever your screws will go through to hold the cowl add one more one inch squares of 3/4 glass cloth to build up that area. I also first screwed the ply ring onto the fuse that holds the cowling. After I was satisfied on the location, I took it off, added epoxy on the inside of the ring and screwed it back on. Forget about the added extra weight at this time.
I made my own mounts from a better grade of ply for the landing gears. I had first installed RhomAir retracts but they gave me problems so I decide to go with a fixed gear. I didn’t trust the ply I got with the kit, that is why I used my own and I epoxied everything in.
Inside of the plane: sand as best as you can and add epoxy to all the formers. I even bent an epoxy brush backwards to get to the opposite side of the formers. Between the formers and skin, that is a weak area that will come loose over time. Not anymore.
Firewall: Add epoxy and cloth between the firewall and fuselage where ever you can get it. That is one area that seems to never be as strong as it should be from an ARF. One important thing I found with my Corsair, plans show 2 degrees down and 2 degrees right thrust. I found that my Corsair had the right thrust built in but no down thrust, so I made a shim to put behind the motor mount to off set that thrust. Don’t fly it until you have both right and down thrust.
Again using a bent epoxy brush, fuel proof all wood inside from the servo tray to the fire wall of fuselage. That also helps keep the glue they used from coming loose. Lot’s of weight, but useable weight, you’ll see.
Canopy: I screwed mine on but first epoxied blocks of hard wood to the inside of fuse at the points where the screws would go through.
Control surfaces: I use only epoxy, no CA on hinge areas. I’m not sold on CA for that.
Servos: mount them as far forward as possible.
Engine: I first tried an OS 46 FX and it was marginal. If our grass field had just been mowed, no problems but if the grass was high, then the 46 would need a lot of runway to lift the plane off. I ended up going with an OS 61. That engine does the job, gets the plane rolling at a good speed before lift off then I just throttle back to where I like to fly. Make sure you have your airspeed up before lift off and when it comes time to lift the plane off, it will probably go up by itself if trims are set very good. But if the trims are not set the first time, which they probably won’t be, don’t force the plane up. After the plane is rolling, EASE back on the elevator till the planes lifts then hold it there until the plane reaches the altitude you want. Gently let it climb, no hard turns. Once the plane reaches speed, then you can do what you want, you’ll have altitude to work with. One thing, none of my Corsairs will do is a stalled, snap roll. I have crashed more Corsairs then you would want to know and every time, the same way.
CG: On the CMP Corsair, the shown CG is close, but no cigar. You can fly it that way and I did on my first flights but you’ll have your hands full. I used a CG of exactly 3 inches from the leading edge, spaced 15 inches apart using a Great Planes balance machine. This is a little less then the 80mm to 85mm shown in the plans. That means the plane has to be a little more nose heavy to balance and remember all that epoxy you added in the cowl, it now has become your friend. I still had to add some lead weight, but not as much if I hadn’t reinforced the cowling.
Guns: Airbrush out the decal guns on the plane and install 1/8 brass tubes where the guns should be, outside the gull.
Remember, these are changes I made based on my having two of these planes, one of which is no longer with me.

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RE: New CMP 50-sized Corsair - 1/16/2007 3:43:15 PM   
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OK you Corsair experts Learned something new concerning the white lines interesting... Now if I may, what is with the arrows.... One on the rudder would seem to say "this side up" and the one on the wing "fly in this direction" ?....

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RE: New CMP 50-sized Corsair - 1/16/2007 3:52:02 PM   
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Just my 2 cents. The Arrows on the Tail point Up. They were Squadron markings. The white lines that so many Corsair have on them in front of the cockpit were origianlly used to stop leaking fuel from the Forward Fuse Fuel Tank.

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RE: New CMP 50-sized Corsair - 2/1/2007 5:26:17 AM   
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Hi guys
could you please post a link for the retracts your talking about for this model.
thanks
Hisham

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RE: New CMP 50-sized Corsair - 2/15/2007 3:16:35 PM   
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Hey guys,

My plane has finally arrived, so I am going to start on it as soon as I can. Having a look at the finish, I am definately going to start by giving it a coat of clearkote, this finish will get trashe VERY quickly, and I am not too perturbed about the additional weight, I am putting in the OS 91 surpass, so the weight shoulnit be a nightmare.
With regards to the cowl, I see your points about it not having enough 'strenght' so I will look at the glassing option, I am not a skilled glasser, nor do I have the place to do it so will have to consider that carefully.
The engine is going to be mounted at 90 deg, I would like to have had it at invert, but the carb will sit WAY lower than the tank so flooding could be a problem. I would have preferred inverted so that any cutting of the cowl could be kept to a minimum. Also the exhaust is going to be a problem. I have an OS flexi pipe that I might route outside the cowl and along the belly pan, it should also help to keep the exhaust splatter away from everything.
Another consideration I have is to get 4 pieces of ply, about 5-6mm in thickness, bolt and epoxy that to the font of the fuse, and mount the cowl ring onto that. Get another square of ply the same thickness, bore a hole through it and mount the engine on to that, this will do two things, A) allow me to shift the weight of the engine forward, and B) allow space for the escaping air to get out without cutting up the canopy, any thoughts on that? Having looked at the setup, it may require that I cut open some of the cowl flaps in order to give more breathing space, but thisi is more acceptable than chopping holes in the cowl...

Will keep you up to date on the progress....

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RE: New CMP 50-sized Corsair - 2/16/2007 2:39:21 AM   
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Glassing the cowl is easy, just try not to make a mess on the outside of the cowl. I would recommend glassing the cowl before doing any cutting. The way I did mine was I cut small pieces of 3/4 glass cloth and fit them around the inside of the dummy engine. Remember, this is all done on the inside. Then for the sides I used a heavier glass cloth and cut them into strips. I found it is easier to do small sections then try to do the complete cowl all at once. Just keep some alcohol near by to wipe off epoxy you may get on the outside of the cowl. I used a 30 minute epoxy not thinned down. I would spread a layer down then put my cloth over that and then spread more epoxy until the cloth was covered. Around the inside of the dummy engine you'll be surprised how easy it is to get your cloth to bend and lay flat on the plastic, even with all those curves and bumbs. Just use several small pieces and make sure you over lay them.
I am using a OS 61 in my Corsair and I have it inverted and have had no problems with flooding. On this plane I use a modified J Tec muffler and it works good. There are other mufflers you could use but the J Tec fits tighter in the cowl then others I have looked at. Nice thing I like is I have an opening in the front of the cowl for carb clearence and I have the bottom cut out for engine and muffler clearence and cooling and it's easier to get to your glow plug.
AS for moving your engine forward, I think you'll screw up the looks of the plane. Sounds like a good idea but I don't think you'll like the looks after you're done. I sent a picture of what I did to mine, might give you an idea on how to do yours.
Larry

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RE: New CMP 50-sized Corsair - 2/16/2007 6:17:40 AM   
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Larry,

I get you, I am defo going to try the glassing. The cowl is decidedly weak...

I forgot to mention that my engine is the four-stroke, so It WILL protrude out the cowl. WRT moving the cowl forward, it is only going to be a few mm's, and won't be that noticable....I think. I will do the excercise without epoxy so that if it looks bad, I will just remove the additional ply that I use and restore it back to normal.

Thanks for all the advice!

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RE: New CMP 50-sized Corsair - 2/16/2007 1:44:19 PM   
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Just take your time with this bird and think each modification out. For what's it worth and maybe others will add to this, using a 4 stroke makes the plane a little harder to fly simply because you then will have additional torque to deal with, so be careful. I have some warbirds with 2 stroke and some with 4 stroke engines and with the ones with the 4 stroke engines I have to use better throttle control. IF you're coming in a little short of the runway, gently give it throttle and be ready for the plane to start to roll on you at low speeds.
Larry

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RE: New CMP 50-sized Corsair - 6/19/2007 9:45:35 PM   
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Hello virtualvictum i need to ask you this have you cut some of the cowl bacause of the head of the engine? i´m starting to build my CMP Corsair but i´m not buy the engine so far, i´m still asking for opinions abaut it. Should i buy the OS 55 AX or the OS 61 FX???? i dindt want to cut any part of the cowl! i will put the engine over is right with a Pitts muffler just like you did in yours, i´m flying in a military airfield because i´m a military and its all pavement so i will not need much power to get it airborn right?? i with love if you post some pictures ( the interior ) of yours because i have see thys guys puting the receiver batteries over the engine because the plane is tail heavy! i will also put this oleo struts from VQ but i still think that the wheals are to small is there any way to put a large ones with another wheels cup? i hope you could help this new pilot. tanks

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RE: New CMP 50-sized Corsair - 6/23/2007 2:35:28 PM   
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Well, after a week of working on it in the evenings, here she is......

I did strengthen the cowl with some toilet tissue soaked in superglue and added my own u/c mounts but other than that its pretty much stock. I'll test fly with fixed u/c and add retracts when time allows

Regards
Scott

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