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RE: Miles Atwood Special - 2/28/2008 11:53:11 AM   
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You are right, she is a beauty!!!!

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RE: Miles Atwood Special - 2/28/2008 3:46:15 PM   
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" because of my mishap I do need to building a new wing, and I plain adding 1 degree to it.. "

Jim Wasp ..... If you do need to build a new wing, consider a different airfoil. That original flat bottom Moucha airfoil spells trouble. It's a racing airfoil, and much too thin for sport flying. You can use the same demensions, and construction methods shown on the plans, but change it to a thicker semi-symetrical airfoil very easily. I borrowed the semi-symetrical airfoil from a Dynaflite Spitfire that was going good for me at the time. ( And still is 12 years later. )

Good luck with it.

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RE: Miles Atwood Special - 3/1/2008 5:21:54 AM   
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Jim, so you know I thought of that because I remembered you once told me you made your own wing, would the Kit Cuter make that mod for me ??, I don't care to make the ribs myself !!

Jim

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RE: Miles Atwood Special - 3/4/2008 10:27:02 AM   
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hey Jim, check out this photo,, and can you answer my question above ??

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RE: Miles Atwood Special - 3/4/2008 8:12:31 PM   
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" I don't care to make the ribs myself !! " ? ? ? ............

Sorry Wasp, but that's the best that I can do for you. You gave me the impression that you were going to build a new wing, but if you can't deal with making a simple set of ribs by yourself, then you are beyond my help. Sorry !

Adios Amigo > Jim

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RE: Miles Atwood Special - 3/11/2008 12:28:10 PM   
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Hi, here are some more photographs of the latest development, mainly the tail section which has been re-designed from the plan. I've also decked the area around the tail-plane in order to give something for the covering to grab hold of. The tail-plain has 0 deg incidence to the fuselage datum, but I'm thinking of making provision for positive adjustment. The wing will have 2 deg of incidence. Again none of these calculations are marked on the plan which is frustrating. Measuring the plan as best I can it appears there is zero incidence for both wing and tail-plane. We have a hedge at the end of our main runway and I'd like to be able to clear it! Looking at the photographs of the prototype I see very little 'meat' in terms of a substantial leading edge on the tail-plane so on I've added extra hard-balsa riblets, sadly not to scale but I was worried about the covering sagging and deforming the surfaces in flight. I'm thinking of using Solartex (Coverite in US), it's simple to apply, and seems to be a good compromise between plastic covering and the complete balls-to-the-wind nylon wing bags and dope and quite a bit of weight saving too. Any ideas on this front fellas?

cheers j

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RE: Miles Atwood Special - 3/11/2008 8:06:28 PM   
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Hi Jim,

I've stuck this in the forum as you never know who this might help, hope you don't mind;

[Seafang , can you tell me the cord length on your Miles Atwood Special wing and the wing thickness,, as I said in the Miles Atwood Special post I need to build a new wing for my Miss Los Angeles and the wings on the 2 planes look much a-like, but you ribs/wing look thicker ??? ]

Cord length = 335mm ( plus 30mm leading edge & 30mm trailing edge, so a total of 395mm) (200mm last rib at tip)

Rib Thickness = 55mm (38mm last rib at tip)

These are not mean aerodynamic cord (mac) cord lengths but the length and thickness of the majority ribs, the cord and thickness change for the last 3 ribs at the wing tips. I'm assuming you just want a general idea. It's a pretty thick wing, not to scale, the prototype probably had a much thinner wing. However in the real world we want these models to fly well and without getting into the whole 'Reynolds' number thing, which I only have a shallow grasp of at the best of times, we are probably full circle and back to your original problem.

At a guess the wing I've built for this model is a Clark-Y type. I believe the Spirit of St.Louis (Ryan) had a Clark-Y airfoil.

I also understand that this model flies well but fast, despite the relative thickness of the wing but again that may have something more to do with wing loading rather than aerodynamic shape.I am going for a light wing loading I've mad the calculations in imperial measurments;

Weight 192 ounces / Wing Area 7.708 square feet. = wing loading 24.9 0z/sqft . Well, that's my goal anyway.

If you really can't be assed cutting ribs, have a play with some blue-foam, carbon spars and a few lightening holes all covered in plastic iron-on stuff. I've not done it myself but I'd have a go even though you'll still have to make some templates for the cord changes. I doubt it's easier but it's certainly different. Remember you can get a flat plank of wood to fly with the right angle of attack. Be careful not to build any twist in the wing unless you understand wash-out/in and want to accommodate that in your wing. warps and twists are a headache.

Hope that helps, J.

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RE: Miles Atwood Special - 3/11/2008 8:20:59 PM   
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Hi GeeBeeJim,

just a quick question, what is the tailwheel set-up you have on your Miss Los Angeles B2. I would like to buy something 'off the shelf' for my 'Special' 12-14 lb all up weight. Any guidance greatly appreciated. if you have the time I'd love to see some more images of your B2 as I'm almost at the linkage stage and would like to see your solutions before bashing the ol' credit card some more.

Cheers j

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RE: Miles Atwood Special - 3/11/2008 9:03:26 PM   
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WOW WOW WOW!
You guys sure know how to make me drool!

Would love it if there was seperat section for scale racers---Golden age.

Think that some where I have mag plans to Ken Miles racer in 1/4 scale.
If memory is correct this airplane has smallest span of all 30s racers.(16ft ?)

Currently trying to locate 3 views of Ryder R-4 firecracker.
Free down loadable best of course!
Even peanut scale plans would do.
just need some kind of decent drawing to design from.

3 of my racers
Click on Mr mulligan and look at how badly I lost my mind on details!
I have come to the conclusion that anyone who machines gages for model airplanes is nuts!--Like Me.

Just a note--
-My understanding is that 1/4 size of full scale dosnt suffer noticeably from Reynolds numbers.

This from a friend who helped on the piper Tri-pacer design who convinced me to use the scale laminar flow airfoil on the Mulligan and allowed me to use his airfoil plot ref book to plot the airfoil.---same as scale p-51 airfoil.
He also ran some Re calculations and found every thing to be fine at 1/4 scale.

Now we know Benny Howard and Mr Mulligans secret weapon.
Its ashame that Benny didn't understand the problems with high boost at low altitudes.

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RE: Miles Atwood Special - 3/11/2008 9:32:34 PM   
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love the bottle of 'jack', for scale reference purposes...of course...ahem.

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RE: Miles Atwood Special - 3/11/2008 9:54:47 PM   
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What Bottle?

Oh---that ? well---ahhh --you mean that bottle?

Thats Roscoe"s bottle!


Thats the end results of all nighters machining gages!

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RE: Miles Atwood Special - 3/12/2008 9:10:18 PM   
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Seafang,, thanks for the wing info, my wing cord is a bit over 16 inches, about 16&3/16,,

Jim, it's not that I can't cut the ribs myself, it's I don't have the saw to do it with..

Jim

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RE: Miles Atwood Special - 3/14/2008 5:13:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Seafang

Hi GeeBeeJim,

just a quick question, what is the tailwheel set-up you have on your Miss Los Angeles B2. I would like to buy something 'off the shelf' for my 'Special' 12-14 lb all up weight. Any guidance greatly appreciated. if you have the time I'd love to see some more images of your B2 as I'm almost at the linkage stage and would like to see your solutions before bashing the ol' credit card some more.

Cheers j


J: I'll try posting another Pic, maybe the tail wheel assembly will show up better. Just ignore the old guy in the Pic, and enlarge the tail section using your photo editor. It's simply a leaf spring type from Ohio Industries, or maybe CB Associates.

> Jim



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