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RE: AGM Resolutions from Feb MAACmag - 2/14/2006 6:57:46 PM   
Sharpy01



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Status: offline 		Keith:

You were crystal clear.

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ORIGINAL: mustang one

As long as the proxies and the voter registration for that zone meeting have not been handed in to MAAC as required by Corporations Canada and requested by MAAC how can you claim a correctly run zone meeting???

please provide the audience the section in Corp Canada where this statement is


...so, the answer is no.

Why would any zone director not comply with this very basic of AZM requirements? It guarantees that proper democratic process, as defined by our constitution, has been adhered to. It removes any possible concern regarding any "vote fixing". (Good God, am I actually using these terms for an model airplane association?)

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ORIGINAL: mustang one
Why is there nothing in the MAAC mag from you, our zone director or from you, as scale chairman?

personal choice,


...why then accuse Keith of censure?

Like Dennis, we are still awaiting the NATS profit answers.



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RE: AGM Resolutions from Feb MAACmag - 2/14/2006 8:11:27 PM   
sivlE


 

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ORIGINAL: mustang one

Sivile is once again accusing the SW ZONE of running an incorrect zone meeting. For the record, the October 16, 2005 SW Zone meeting Was conducted in the proper manner according to the bylaws of MAAC and the procedures outlined in Kerr and King.

ALso for the record, John please stop vilifing me on these web sites, For the record,

Jason, there was no theft of 2000 dollars.

Charles Smith
SW Zone Director


Chuck, I went to the AZM meeting with an open mind and didn't like what I saw and heard. I still even considered you to be a friend, after all it was only a vote for ZD and it was no big deal to me who won. I had every intention of supporting the winner as my SW zone dirrector. Your conduct however, over the past several months had given me reason to evaluate your position as Zone Director and had also caused me to ask questions. Your lack of response and the way in which the CAC came about was very suspect. Not to menton the feeble attempt to silence people by way of legal threats which in my opinon was not conducive to a ZD's capacity. It is MY opinion that you and a few others have given our Zone a bad name and have cost MAAC and it's members monies that didn't warant the expenditure. It is also my opinion that you have demontstrated that you will not comply with the duties of a Zone director and have ruined the possibility of having the NATS in Chatham this year as you did not even bother to follow protocol from MAAC. As far as your accusations of me defaming you on this thread (vilifying) I just call them like I see them. Just because I don't like what you are doing and and ask questions is not defaming anybody. Chuck, a good leader listens, addresses issues, deals with confrontations, holds no personal bias in situations and sure as heck doesn't bad mouth his boss.
Again it is my opinion that our Zone is in such bad standings with the rest of the membership because of the way in which you have handled these situations. The last ZD got a reprimand for his conduct and there seems to be little difference with our curent ZD. THis is a hobby for crying out loud and look what this mess is doing to friendships. Why did you let this happen??????

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RE: AGM Resolutions from Feb MAACmag - 2/14/2006 9:03:41 PM   
Sharpy01



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Status: offline 		It should be clear to anyone outside the SW zone who has followed the various dramas surrounding the epicenter that a very small percentage of the zone holds the bag on most of this stuff.

SivLE's honest and credible response should also show members that eventually the problems will eventually get fixed.

Thanks for the post SivLe.

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RE: AGM Resolutions from Feb MAACmag - 2/14/2006 9:15:36 PM   
sivlE


 

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Status: offline 		No problemo Sharpy, I am just wondering how long it will take now before I recieve my next piece of junk mail from the lawyer. At least my other junk mail has some value if I decide to use the coupons. I didn't even get $2.00 off my next litigation in the last one.

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RE: AGM Resolutions from Feb MAACmag - 2/14/2006 10:51:24 PM   
Jason Holdaway


 

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ORIGINAL: mustang one

This guy sivil really gets a lot of things wrong


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ORIGINAL: britbrat


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ORIGINAL: Stateofmind

This guy sivil really gets a lot of things wrong


Considering that you can't even spell his name, who are you to pass enlightened commentary?


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ORIGINAL: mustang one

Sivile is once again accusing the SW ZONE of running an incorrect zone meeting. For the record, the October 16, 2005 SW Zone meeting Was conducted in the proper manner according to the bylaws of MAAC and the procedures outlined in Kerr and King.

ALso for the record, John please stop vilifing me on these web sites, For the record,

Jason, there was no theft of 2000 dollars.

Charles Smith
SW Zone Director



As we can see, Stateofmind from the East Coast is really mustang one (Chuck Smith) who would have thought? ahh yes, CHUCKles. Why were you hiding under analias chuck? not enough people to defend you, and had to make one up? that's funny. Marc, I hope you're never on my tail, you certainly nailed that one! It really makes for some good reading to read all his posts again, knowing who he is.

You can change your username, but what other people post in a quote stays the same

< Message edited by Jason Holdaway -- 2/14/2006 10:53:17 PM >

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RE: AGM Resolutions from Feb MAACmag - 2/14/2006 11:46:00 PM   
Jabba


 

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ORIGINAL: Propworn

Ever notice that Jabba and Stateofmind dance in tandem. One posts and the other seems to back him up. Or one gives someone a shot and the other chips in like a sock puppet.

Could you guys answer a question why the proxies and the registration for the zone meeting sivle is talking about have never been turned in to MAAC head office though this stuff has been asked for several times?

EH Palmer Eh Chuckie?????????????????



Why should the proxies be returned?
AS YOU know I checked the proxies as they came in at the AZM. You (Dennis) stood there and watched as I did that. I asked you IF you wished to have a SCRUTINEER sit and check the proxies with me, as I checked EACH proxies against the list of zone members supplied by MAAC and YOU SAID NO THANKS.

YOU LOST the election…..

YOUR side had two scrutinizer’s count the votes. YOU lost by about a 2 to 1 margin.

NOW you want the proxies so you can see who VOTED against you.

SO MUCH for a PRIVATE VOTE!!!
John was one of the SCUTINEER's that counted the votes at the AZM.

YOU had no problem the day of the election. YOU had a CHANCE the day of the election to have the proxies CHECKED and YOU declined then. NOW you want to see the votes and find out how voted against you.

Its easy to figure out .... 66% of the zone vote against you, and they have the RIGHT to a SECRET BALLOT.

_____________________________

Jabba

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RE: AGM Resolutions from Feb MAACmag - 2/15/2006 12:07:51 AM   
Sharpy01



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Status: offline 		That's crap Jabba.

The proxies should be turned into HQ as has been the requirement/practice of MAAC. It's not about you and Dennis, or Dennis and Chuck, or Mo and Curley.
.......it's about proper proceedure to avoid exactly what is happening in this thread.

Again, the question is.............. Why wouldn't you?

What exactly do you expect to happen with the names? Are you fearing that roving bands of hooded MAAC members are going to be going door to door?

Your position is ridiculous.

< Message edited by Sharpy01 -- 2/15/2006 12:08:17 AM >

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RE: AGM Resolutions from Feb MAACmag - 2/15/2006 12:21:20 AM   
Jabba


 

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Your conduct however, over the past several months had given me reason to evaluate your position as Zone Director and had also caused me to ask questions. Your lack of response and the way in which the CAC came about was very suspect. Not to menton the feeble attempt to silence people by way of legal threats which in my opinon was not conducive to a ZD's capacity. It is MY opinion that you and a few others have given our Zone a bad name and have cost MAAC and it's members monies that didn't warant the expenditure. It is also my opinion that you have demontstrated that you will not comply with the duties of a Zone director and have ruined the possibility of having the NATS in Chatham this year as you did not even bother to follow protocol from MAAC. As far as your accusations of me defaming you on this thread (vilifying) I just call them like I see them. Just because I don't like what you are doing and and ask questions is not defaming anybody. Chuck, a good leader listens, addresses issues, deals with confrontations, holds no personal bias in situations and sure as heck doesn't bad mouth his boss.
Again it is my opinion that our Zone is in such bad standings with the rest of the membership because of the way in which you have handled these situations. The last ZD got a reprimand for his conduct and there seems to be little difference with our curent ZD. THis is a hobby for crying out loud and look what this mess is doing to friendships. Why did you let this happen??????
[/quote]

GEEE John

First CHUCK was not the CD of the 2005 NATS. WAS NOT going to be the CD of the 2006 NATS.

Dennis was NOMINATED to be the CD of the 2006 NATS by the Northern Ont. Zone and declined. WHY.

NEXT you say you have asked CHUCK questions. HAVE you called him, or just asked questions on public form (RCC and RCU)?

NONE of the other board/executive members will answer pointed questions on these forms. So why should CHUCK….. just because YOU asked?

WHAT has the CAC done WRONG?

The 2005 NATS committee did not accept the what MAAC wanted.

YOU had fun at the 2005 NATS.
YOU can have FUN at the CAC event.
YOU could compete at the CAC event and get invited to either TOP GUN, or the US Scale Masters.

WHAT MAAC protocol did our ZD not follow?

blaa blaa blaa .... the same story over and over again....



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Jabba

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RE: AGM Resolutions from Feb MAACmag - 2/15/2006 12:32:09 AM   
Jason Holdaway


 

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ORIGINAL: Jabba
Its easy to figure out .... 66% of the zone vote against you, and they have the RIGHT to a SECRET BALLOT.


and probably 50% of the zone gave open proxies because they don't really care and just want to fly. I bet the same won't be repeated next year.........if the current ZD term is even going to last that long.

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RE: AGM Resolutions from Feb MAACmag - 2/15/2006 12:47:39 AM   
Applehoney


 

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Status: offline 		>First CHUCK was not the CD of the 2005 NATS. WAS NOT going to be the CD of the 2006 NATS.

What's the relevance of that remark, Jabba? There is no reference in the paragraph you quoted to him being the CD of either.....

>blaa blaa blaa .... the same story over and over again....

Yep, you said it. As usual .....

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RE: AGM Resolutions from Feb MAACmag - 2/15/2006 12:49:16 AM   
Jason Holdaway


 

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ORIGINAL: Jabba

GEEE John

First CHUCK was not the CD of the 2005 NATS. WAS NOT going to be the CD of the 2006 NATS.

Dennis was NOMINATED to be the CD of the 2006 NATS by the Northern Ont. Zone and declined. WHY.

NEXT you say you have asked CHUCK questions. HAVE you called him, or just asked questions on public form (RCC and RCU)?

NONE of the other board/executive members will answer pointed questions on these forms. So why should CHUCK….. just because YOU asked?

WHAT has the CAC done WRONG?

The 2005 NATS committee did not accept the what MAAC wanted.

YOU had fun at the 2005 NATS.
YOU can have FUN at the CAC event.
YOU could compete at the CAC event and get invited to either TOP GUN, or the US Scale Masters.

WHAT MAAC protocol did our ZD not follow?

blaa blaa blaa .... the same story over and over again....




other than punctuation and content, nice job.............who's typing for you?

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RE: AGM Resolutions from Feb MAACmag - 2/15/2006 1:08:05 AM   
RC_MAN


 

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Status: offline 		Jason, Ja son, Jas on, J as on blah blah blah Brit Blah Bat blah Sh ar p not so blah Hey this is great blah Mo rris blah on.

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RE: AGM Resolutions from Feb MAACmag - 2/15/2006 1:33:20 AM   
Jason Holdaway


 

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ORIGINAL: Jason Holdaway
As we can see, Stateofmind from the East Coast is really mustang one (Chuck Smith) who would have thought? ahh yes, CHUCKles. Why were you hiding under analias chuck? not enough people to defend you, and had to make one up? that's funny. Marc, I hope you're never on my tail, you certainly nailed that one! It really makes for some good reading to read all his posts again, knowing who he is.

You can change your username, but what other people post in a quote stays the same


Anybody go back and read yet?some of my personal favorites, I edited some lines out, but never changed any content:
quote:

ORIGINAL: mustang one

So if I get what Mr Smith is saying, is that there should be no problem with this event. It looks like they have the permission of owners, and it looks like they have insurance coverages.
I would imagin this event will be held, at least I hope so. It would be nice to take the trip.

What type of airplane do you need for this event


quote:

ORIGINAL: mustang one

enough talk about insurance, although Mr smith makes a good point, lets get back to this new contest

does anyone know where we sign up


quote:

ORIGINAL: mustang one

What type of events will be taking place. I looked up the Chatham Airport, what a nice site to be flying from. You guys are very lucky.
what about volunteers, if i get down I might want to help out, is that possible.

I didn't realize this was a private venture, kootoes to those doing this


quote:

ORIGINAL: mustang one
how do I get in touch with this Chuck Smith, Gerry Shaw and Palmer Johnson. I think I would like to hear from them personally


quote:

ORIGINAL: mustang one
I read the letters placed on this sight. It seems to me that Mr Smith simply said he was not willing to be beaten up anymore. The real verbal threats seem to be from the 3 guys the letter was sent to.


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ORIGINAL: mustang one

wrong, but feel free to try again.

time to get to Ontairo, 14 hours, not that I would want to


talk about immature. And this guy that poses as other to raise his credibility, and advertise for the CAC is representing the SW zone
I don't know if I want to laugh or puke! alright, laugh it is go get a government job CHUCKles, this area is for hobbyists.

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RE: AGM Resolutions from Feb MAACmag - 2/15/2006 2:20:03 AM   
Sharpy01



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ORIGINAL: Jabba


The 2005 NATS committee did not accept the what MAAC wanted.





This line is the only valid point in your entire diatribe JABBA.. it's what all this has been about.


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RE: AGM Resolutions from Feb MAACmag - 2/15/2006 1:13:20 PM   
sivlE