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Your Vote and the AGM - 2/22/2006 4:46:39 PM

Propworn

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Voting at the AGM

At the Annual General Meeting (AGM) on March 19 2006 if you are a paid up member your Zone Director will be able to use your vote as part of his block of votes unless you attend and register yourself or you fill out and sign a proxy allowing someone else to vote on your behalf.

If you agree with the direction and policies of your zone director no further action other than paying ones MAAC membership is necessary. If however you do not agree and do not wish that your zone director vote on your behalf then you must attend the AGM yourself or fill out a proxy designating someone else to vote on your behalf. The proxy can be made out to any member in good standing of MAAC who will be attending the AGM.

Proxies are legal only if they are the original or they are a faxed copy.

Single proxies as well as proxies signed by multiple members are acceptable as long as each member is clearly identified with printed name, MAAC number then signed and dated.

I do not support the direction or policies of the Zone Director of the South West Zone (Chuck Smith) and intend to vote accordingly. I will be attending the AGM and would be glad to accept any proxies to bring to the AGM. As an alternative you may send your proxy to any Zone Director and they will vote on your behalf at the AGM. Remember a non vote is a vote in support of Mr. Smith’s direction and policies.

If you contact me via email I can send a copy in PDF format of the group proxy. It can be used as a single or for multiple members.

If you wish to mail or fax the proxy to me contact me and I will provide the contact information.

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RE: Your Vote and the AGM - 2/22/2006 5:59:30 PM

sivlE

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Dennis, I was not aware that a none vote would mean our ZD gets to use my vote to support his views. Make sure that if I don't go that you get my signed proxy form before you leave.
I for one, most certainly do not support his views or conduct , especially the one about breaching confidences in order to maintain transparency.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

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RE: Your Vote and the AGM - 2/22/2006 8:31:12 PM

bbbair

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Good Luck with your revolution guys!

The things that have been going on in your Zone have been outrageous, dirty and underhanded - to say the least.

It has been going on for far too long through a succession of ZDs - I truly hope that you can rectify the situation.

All the best in your endeavors;
Bruce

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RE: Your Vote and the AGM - 2/22/2006 10:01:55 PM

britbrat

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Hey Brucie -- ya goin' to the AGM?

< Message edited by britbrat -- 2/22/2006 10:02:36 PM >

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RE: Your Vote and the AGM - 2/22/2006 10:13:34 PM

Jabba

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Well Chuck has my total support.

And from what I have heard from others around the zone he has there support.

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RE: Your Vote and the AGM - 2/22/2006 10:45:07 PM

GrnBrt

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been getting a lot of complaints on this one so I am closing it for awhile till things cool off a bit.

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RE: Your Vote and the AGM - 2/23/2006 4:11:31 PM

Propworn

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Thank you Mr. Grabow for reopening the topic.

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RE: Your Vote and the AGM - 2/23/2006 5:34:55 PM

Ed Smith

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I saw no reason to close it in the first place. There was nothing offensive in any of the posts. Just because somebody complained is no reason to close a thread. If that policy is followed then what better way is there for somebody to muffle free expression?

Ed S

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RE: Your Vote and the AGM - 2/23/2006 6:46:03 PM

britbrat

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It is obviously a new ploy by some SIG to limit criticism/discussion of topics that they don't feel confident in discussing openly, if at all. Hopefully this tactic will be recognized by RCU for what it is.

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RE: Your Vote and the AGM - 2/23/2006 6:56:48 PM

adaptabl

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We need to organize in each club to be sure our interest are expressed. Every member has the right to have his/her vote used with their concerns being addressed. I would bet that many of the motions pass or fail with a 12-1 vote. It would be nice to show the rest of Canada that we are not sheep in the SW zone. My proxy is completed and will be given to Propworn.

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RE: Your Vote and the AGM - 2/23/2006 7:22:54 PM

sivlE

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quote:

ORIGINAL: adaptabl

We need to organize in each club to be sure our interest are expressed. Every member has the right to have his/her vote used with their concerns being addressed. I would bet that many of the motions pass or fail with a 12-1 vote. It would be nice to show the rest of Canada that we are not sheep in the SW zone. My proxy is completed and will be given to Propworn.

Couldn't agree more.

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RE: Your Vote and the AGM - 2/23/2006 7:31:01 PM

Jabba

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To the Members of the SW Zone

It is important that I respond to you concerning the e-mail attached. It has been stated that my direction and policies are not supportable by Dennis Pratt. It would and could be said that Dennis then does not support the Direction and Policies of MAAC which is my direction and policy

The function of the zone director is to represent the membership of the zone and present their policies and direction to the board as a whole, through the zone meeting, and on to the AGM. This has been done completely. You only need to read the last magazine to see all of our motions, direction, events and observations have been accounted for.

I have supported your club through the years and have never expected anything in return. I respected your support for a person from your club in the last election and have no ill feelings toward the Windsor club for doing so. Peter Doupnik asked for and got support for his jet rally for the first time. This was not the only time Peter has attempted to do so. This is my duty as your director, to support you. It has however, been more than just duty, when it came to the Windsor club.

I have been the recipient of accusations from several of your fellow club members, Dennis, John and Chris. These accusations are based on the fact that I have supported other members of our zone in the same manner I have supported Windsor.

My direction is, the SW Zone members, my agenda is, the SW Zone members and my policies can be found on the MAAC web site titled MAAC Constitution and MAAC by-laws.

It has never been in my nature to take false accusations lightly. I have and will continue to do my job as director as prescribed by law,( Corporation Canada's Not-For-Profit ) not Dennis Pratt and or his friends.

The attempt of Dennis to upset my voting power at the AGM is a prime example of what is wrong with MAAC at the present time. The ZED Automatically carries all voting rights of the members minus any proxies. Dennis voting with the other directors does not mean anything. The Board can out vote the entire SW zone by ganging up, as they have done in the past. You do not have a true voice at the AGM. It should be one member one vote at the meeting plus obtained proxies.

The Vice President Richard Barlow wrote:

Richards’s statements dated May 15, 2005

(c) The Present system, which operates smoothly, but which denies any
meaningful input to the rank and file member. Under the current system, six
thousand members showing up at an AGM could not outvote the combined
Directors. That appears to be a real inequity.

This is one of my directions, giving you an actual stake in the future of MAAC by allowing your single vote to actually count. This seems to be what Dennis and his buddies are fighting to stop. He stated he does not support my direction

Information:

The director must support the Corporation at its core. ( as per corp Can ) That means you the member. This I have done in spite of Dennis Pratt and his friends. I will also continue to do so.

It is up to you, as it has always been

Charles Smith
SW Zone Director

1-519-842-2950

call me for further information

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RE: Your Vote and the AGM - 2/23/2006 8:08:28 PM

DSLarkin

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I'm very glad that this thread has been opened again.

In a perfect world, most of us would go for a one-man one-vote approach. However if you take a poll at a club meeting (as I did recently) you will find that hardly anyone has ever bothered to exercise their vote for a MAAC AGM. This makes it difficult to get a quorum and it does also open up the way for a small pressure group to exercise inordinate power.

There are other possibilities like selecting/ electing a number of voting representatives in each zone, proportional to the size of the zone.

Faced with the current situation, I see nothing nefarious in what Propworn has done. There is clearly a division of views in his zone and what he has suggested is the logical remedy. If the incumbent ZD has been conducting himself in the manner one would hope for and expect, then he has nothing to fear. The dice are already loaded in his favour. If, however, a large number of zone members are dissatisfied, then they should attempt to obtain redress by either attending the AGM or putting their votes in the hands of someone whose views they trust - which is essentially what Propworn has suggested. Note that Propworn has, very fairly, pointed out that proxies do not have to be given only to him. It has not been uncommon for proxy votes to be given to other than one's own zone director, and often they are given to the ZD from another zone.

Without taking sides in this matter, I have some difficulty accepting the construction that Mr Smith has put on Propworn's actions.

Let's hope that matters settle down to the point where there is no compelling need to charge around collecting proxies. Clearly we are not at that point at the moment.

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RE: Your Vote and the AGM - 2/23/2006 9:49:57 PM

gingertoad

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jabba

To the Members of the SW Zone

It is important that I respond to you concerning the e-mail attached. It has been stated that my direction and policies are not supportable by Dennis Pratt. It would and could be said that Dennis then does not support the Direction and Policies of MAAC which is my direction and policy

The function of the zone director is to represent the membership of the zone and present their policies and direction to the board as a whole, through the zone meeting, and on to the AGM. This has been done completely. You only need to read the last magazine to see all of our motions, direction, events and observations have been accounted for.

I have supported your club through the years and have never expected anything in return. I respected your support for a person from your club in the last election and have no ill feelings toward the Windsor club for doing so. Peter Doupnik asked for and got support for his jet rally for the first time. This was not the only time Peter has attempted to do so. This is my duty as your director, to support you. It has however, been more than just duty, when it came to the Windsor club.

I have been the recipient of accusations from several of your fellow club members, Dennis, John and Chris. These accusations are based on the fact that I have supported other members of our zone in the same manner I have supported Windsor.

My direction is, the SW Zone members, my agenda is, the SW Zone members and my policies can be found on the MAAC web site titled MAAC Constitution and MAAC by-laws.

It has never been in my nature to take false accusations lightly. I have and will continue to do my job as director as prescribed by law,( Corporation Canada's Not-For-Profit ) not Dennis Pratt and or his friends.

The attempt of Dennis to upset my voting power at the AGM is a prime example of what is wrong with MAAC at the present time. The ZED Automatically carries all voting rights of the members minus any proxies. Dennis voting with the other directors does not mean anything. The Board can out vote the entire SW zone by ganging up, as they have done in the past. You do not have a true voice at the AGM. It should be one member one vote at the meeting plus obtained proxies.

The Vice President Richard Barlow wrote:

Richards’s statements dated May 15, 2005

(c) The Present system, which operates smoothly, but which denies any
meaningful input to the rank and file member. Under the current system, six
thousand members showing up at an AGM could not outvote the combined
Directors. That appears to be a real inequity.

This is one of my directions, giving you an actual stake in the future of MAAC by allowing your single vote to actually count. This seems to be what Dennis and his buddies are fighting to stop. He stated he does not support my direction

Information:

The director must support the Corporation at its core. ( as per corp Can ) That means you the member. This I have done in spite of Dennis Pratt and his friends. I will also continue to do so.

It is up to you, as it has always been

Charles Smith
SW Zone Director

1-519-842-2950

call me for further information

As my name has been dragged into this discussion. I feel that some clarification is necessary.

In the first instance, it is the responsibility of a zone director to represent the views of his zone to the Board of Directors. Where motions are before the Board, any Director may strongly oppose or support the motions as he believes that his zone members would wish him to do. That said, after a decision is made by the Board it is the responsibility of the Director to support that decision and present it to his members as though the decision had been unanimous. THIS IS A DIRECT REQUIREMENT UNDER THE RULES OF CORPORATIONS CANADA.

At the President's Meeting in my zone this Sunday, I will solicit the views of my zone members and use these views as my guide when voting at the AGM. I also encourage as many of my zone members as possible to attend in person and