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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/19/2009 7:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		After reading soneebee's post and taking a closer look at your pictires... That's not a 60. It's a 68. Very similar, but the canopy markings, head design, and servo locations all tell me it's a 68-B.
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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/20/2009 5:11 AM   
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dam i thought i was ontop of all this but it looks like i havn't got there yet lol
ok boys
so witch gear do i get
the one for the 60 or the 68 or is there no diffrence

my post man came today with motor and ESC
so heres my next question
off the motor there is three wires red , black , yellow
off the ESC there is three wires all blue
but on the ESC itself the three blue wires are maked C , B , R
So would it be safe to say
that C is current or yellow wire
that B is black wire
that R is red wire

and witch two wires do i change if i want to change witch way it runs ( the red and black)?????//////
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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/20/2009 6:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Codibloke, I suspect that you might find it worthwhile to contact the Sunday morning heli flyers in Adelaide if you are in the suburbs. MF, Complete's, Hobby Habit or any of the other shops would be able to give you a contact. I'm in the bush or I would, but I wish I was closer to Adelaide to mix with those guys! The guys here are great, but can not replace eyeball contact!



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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/20/2009 8:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		sorry
but every time i take something into complete or habbit that i have not buy from them
they seem to switch off
and dont care , this goes for my planes buggys and helis
like today i go in and get some dean plugs and bullet plugs and some pinon gears All was going good
but soon as i pulled out the mystery 4200kv they didnt want to know and was told that they would not have any pinon gears for this motor
yet looking over the guys shoulder i could see a bag of 11t 2.3 pinons
dont understand why hobby stores do this
as a sale is a sale even when its compertions stuff who cares
hobby stores in S.A dont like to help unless you buy it from them
do they not understand that more and more people buy from the net
and if they stock some of the cheap stuff they would make a heap more money


so when it comes to info
i would and do only listen to the guys on this forum
as the guys here are not full of BS and most hobby stores will try to get you to buy the upmarket one


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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/20/2009 8:09 AM   
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should have read all of it
but me and mornnings dont come together
as i am a night shift worker
so when it comes to sunday morning flyers they are out of the qusetion lol
but i will look into this
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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/20/2009 8:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK, it is disappointing that you get that sort of treatment from them. Perhaps get a bit more assertive, like, "hey, I'll try those there" if you can see what you want. Or ask generically..... Just don't tell them what they are for. I was in MF Goodwood shop yesterday for the first time. And I'll stick to ordering from the online fellas....much more helpful.
Re your motor wiring....Remove the rotors for safety....connect all 3 wires from the motor to the 3 on the ESC. Slowly spin it up to determine the direction. If it is wrong, just swap any 2 wires. You cant blow anything up if it is wired correctly. Then label the wires 1,2,3 if there is only one color available. Your manual should help too.

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/20/2009 9:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		ok you guys once again have spotted a new prob
IS IT A 60 OR IS IT A 68
i have looked at the explored pic of the 60
and i have looked at the explored pic of the 68
i really dont see much diffrence besides the head and the spec's say its a bit longer
and the explored pic's dont have a part numbers on them
( they dont like to make this easy do they lol )

oh and JD
i got my ESC today
but like every thing esle it came with little info , on the back of the pack it read,
MAIN FUNCTIONS
1: SAFETY MODE the motor won't start no matter what the position of the control stick is when the switch on the RC unit
2: BRAKE MODE on / off ( factory setting is off)
3: THREE POINT BATTERY TYPE AND LOW VOLTAGE SELECTION
4: SOFTWARE REVERSION OF MOTOR TURNING DIRECTION
5:LOW CURRENT PROTECTION :ignore / reduce power / shut off
6:TEMP PROTECTION reduce power when temp reaches 120deges C
7PWN FREQUENCY 8KHZ / 16KHZ
8: RPM SETTING 20000rpm / 50000rpm / 100000rpm

so now i just need some more pinion gears and that main gear when i figure out witch one to use lol
next week i am going to get one more 36 upgrade head + tail need some tail pices and use the rest for spares

soneebee the gyro i am going to use is a walkera 0010 well at the start any way
if you real want to know what i really want is a sparton2000i with a sparton gyro with RVOSD and run all that thro ARDUPILOT
But with a $1200.00 price tag , sorry but if you dont know this stuff start here and soon you will understand
http://diydrones.com/profiles/blog/show?id=705844%3ABlogPost%3A44814

OILS
how many km for GPO are you???i drive 150kms to a friends farm on a good day , its good up there when the hay is high and you come unstuck must admit you end up grass all thro it
but thats better than it just going smash


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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/20/2009 11:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		ok it does look like a 68 and not a 60 (dam ebay sellers)
dont really care as the 36 and 68 do have same heads
the four many things i spotted
1: servo under frame
2: head
3: there is a center pivot point in middle of frame as make in pic below
4: bottom plate of frame made of kavler

does anyone know of any more


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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/20/2009 2:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		The 60 and 68 are very similar with the main differences being servo location and head design, but your canopy markings is what caught my eye, as they too differ form the 60. Most parts like the main gears are the same so you can order from either one but again assure you don't get the bevel, or helical gear.
Hobby shops all over are as you discribe,,, I don't know why they do it either. But for future reference,,, just know what part you need when you go in and ask for it, (as in, I need a 12tooth 2.3mm pinion, instead of I need a pinion for this motor). But if your anything like me I don't want to force my buisness on any one.
Commonly the stock settings on your esc should be fine for flying with the more advanced settings being used later in more precision flying and control.
Lastly for the wires to change if your motor runs in reverse,,, it dosen't matter. Any of the two wires will change the direction.
Good Luch and have fun,
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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/20/2009 2:51 PM   
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for setting me straight with what heli i had (dam ebay sellers) my fault for being a tight assh lol

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/20/2009 10:56 PM   
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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/20/2009 11:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Codicave,

I saw your ESC setting choices. you did not say what each one was set to. If you post all the choices and say how each is set we can make sure they go with your motor.

Plus your motor may say how many Hz and RPm to set the ESC to.

Of course brake off, oveerheat on, medium cut off would be my choices on those settings. I guess it does not have governor mode. the hz setting has to do with how many poles the motor has generally. If the motor says it goes to 39000 rpm I would choose the 50000 chioice then. I think you would use the higher Hz setting but I am not sure. Like I said, see what your motor instructions suggest first and then if you have questions let us know.

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/21/2009 4:05 AM   
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Codicave,

I saw your ESC setting choices. you did not say what each one was set to. If you post all the choices and say how each is set we can make sure they go with your motor.

Plus your motor may say how many Hz and RPm to set the ESC to.


jd
what i posted above , about the ESC is all the info i got with it
no intructions
nothing about beeps
and when it comes to the motor it came with no info
as i also dont know what it is set to yet
later today i am going to plug it in to the 36 and see what she doe's
last night i jumped on the net and searched " programing mystery ESC" with not a great deal of luck
does anyone know of a site witch tells you how to set it up
and how to test the settings

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/21/2009 1:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		ok its later in the day
and i have plugged it into my 36 and yes it is not right " is it me or is it allways such a steep learning curve" dont understand why the hobby industery make it so hard
should be more like Bill gates and plug and play not but and study

ok heres the problem
and heres what i am using walkera 701 rx/tx , 11.1 1200m 10c, mystery 30A ESC , MYSTERY 4200RPM
And now heres what happened
first plugged it into throttle in RX ,plugged motor in , turned on tx made sure throttle was down
there were some beep but dont ask how many
so i let the beeps stop , i tried the tx and seemed to have motor control up to 50% stick and then it jump up what felt like 100% throttle
so i shut motor down unplugged the battery
1 min later plugged it back in and tried again
but got nothing no beeps nothing
left it for about a 1hr and tried again
the motor spun up with stick input but had no servo control (any servos )
unplugged it
now if i leave it for about 20min and plug the battery in and try again i just get a loong beep
have i done something wrong or am i missing something
i have read in one forum to use a card
i downloaded the THUNDER POWER’s Electronic Speed Controller mannual as in one forum someone said they are the same setup as mystery
and i also read some where that you could connect a other battery to his rx , yes only 4aa batterys to rx
if the the above line is correct whitch pin on the rx is + and - on walkera 701 rx


anyone please point me in the right direction





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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/21/2009 1:56 PM   
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so i removed it

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/21/2009 2:28 PM   
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all that dont seem to work
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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/22/2009 4:45 AM   
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ok ive figured out
that if i leave the ESC for 20min
and plug it back in with stick down , i get one one long beep
and if i unplug and plug back in with stick up , i get 2 normall beeps
and if i unplug and plug back in for a thrid time i get nothing
am i doing something wrong



also could some one please tell me if i can use a extra battery on the rx
and if so whitch of the three pins on the rx are + and -


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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/22/2009 7:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		and heres a link to a video of what it is doing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxQC29Hz7W0

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/22/2009 9:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		i found the right manaul for it
USERS MANUAL (FM20A,FM30A)
SPECIFICATION:
Model：FM20A Model：FM30A
Continuously working current：20A Continuous working current：30A
Input voltage：Ni-Mh 6～12cells Input voltage：Ni-Mh 6～12cells
Li-ion 2～3cells Li-ion 2～3cells
BEC current：2A (max) BEC current：2A (max)
Weight：20g Weight：25g
MAIN FUNCTIONS:
1. Safety mode: the motor won’t start no matter what the position of the control stick is when switched on the RC unit.
2. Brake setting: on/off (factory setting is off)
3. Three point battery type and low voltage selection.
4. Software reversion of motor turning direction.
5. Low current protection: ignore/reduce power/shut off
6. Temperature protection: reduce power when the temperature reaches 120 degree C.
7. PWM frequency: 8KHZ/16KHZ
8．RPM setting: 20000RPM/50000RPM ESC BEC+-Throttle signal(Receiver)TO MotorDC Power
ESC program procedure
Normal start up:
When throttle stick is off,you will hear one beep for Brake on or two tones for Brake off.
Program:
When throttle stick is at full power connects battery and switch on, and wait for5 sec. setup mode is entered:
1. Brake
If you pull the stick to off within 5 sec. Brake will be changed. (ON→OFF, or OFF→ON)
2. Battery type
(Voltage Cut-off)
NiCad: . . . . .
2Lipos: (5.6V) .. .. .. .. ..
3Lipos: (8.4) … … … … …
3. Rotation reverse
Reverse motor rotation
4. Soft start
Enable
Disable ♫♫♫♫♫
5. Under voltage
Ignore： - - - - - - - - - -
Reduce power: - - - - -
Cut off: - - - - -
6. Timing
automatic(7～30 degree) - - - - -
Soft 7 degree) - - - - - - - - - -
Hard(22～30 degree) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
7. Frequency
8.kHz ♮♮♮♮♮
16 kHz: â™­â™­â™­â™­â™­
8. Restore Factor Default Settings
___ ___ ___ ___ ___
9. Active RPM Control
_._ _._ _._ _._ _._ rpm control off
_.._ _.._ _.._ _.._ _.._ 20.000 rpm
_..._ _..._ _..._ _..._ _..._ 50.000 rpm
Factor default settings:
Brake: Off
Battery type: 3 Li-poly
Under voltage Reduce power
Soft start: Enable
Timing: Auto
Frequency: 8KHz
Active Control: Off
Notice:
1. Make sure the right connection for the battery positive and negative, the reversed connection will damage ESC perpetually.
2. Use the suitable batteries, do not be over the working voltage of ESC.
3. The company keeps the right for any changes of designing, functions, outside, etc. without notice.
4. Take care safety in using, it may injure the body. The company will not be responsible for any lose with incorrect operation.


but this dont help me please someone help

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/22/2009 12:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok it looks like no one want to touch base on the above
That’s cool I do understand it is a bit much lol
So I am left with two more choices
One, find out witch two pins are + and - on the Rx for extra battery
(Would it be safe to say the red and black wires from the battery go in the same two as the red and black from the servo) in the battery plug hole on the Rx
Two, wait for postman again for my stock walkera brushless motor witch should be here early this week and try that

And someone please tell me what poles means when it comes to brushless motors
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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/22/2009 1:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Codicave, have you read all the documentation that came with your equipment? I know the quality of some is poor, so if something is puzzling, I do a google search for, say, "JR servo connections", or "servo connections", or "brushless motors". There are heaps of sites with good technical info which will clarify many points for you on your new adventures. There are even construction articles of brushless motor kits which gave me good info. I suppose I am saying that to bring a beginner heli flyer up to speed from scratch is a big ask via this medium. Try sussing out answers using the search facilities, and bookmark the good sites that you will find. Then, ask away about the finer points after you have picked up the basic principles. This was why I suggested getting together with an experienced flyer. You will learn more in a few hours directly than banging away here, and getting more frustrated. For instance here's a link that I found by searching for "brushless motor principles" and it has further links to model brushless motors http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/brushless-motor.htm/printable . When checking your search results, check the url to see if it looks or sounds like it is dealing with what you are looking for, or another associated use which is not relevant. Oh, and correct spelling is needed....don't guess....try searching "brushless motor poles" I bet you get more info than we can offer.
But don't rush, there is a lot of info out there, and a lot to be absorbed between the ears!
A lot of people have learnt RC helis from Radd's website....check it out.....

http://www.dream-models.com/eco/flying-index.html

That should help you when your heli is ready.



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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/22/2009 1:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I meant to mention that for JR type connectors that red-black or red-brown are the power wires, red being positive. The signal wire is usually yellow, orange or white. But unless you fully understand DC wiring principles you must be very careful. There is a lot of energy in the batteries that we use, and mistakes can be damaging to your gear, or even worse consequences. Search for "lipo + fires". Not to scare you, but alert you to the risks. Even NimHs and Nicads can burn wiring in seconds if wiring is wrong. Two heads are better than one!

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/22/2009 3:19 PM   
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dont want to sound rude
but it is my last resort to post here as yes i know my spelling and grammer is bad
as for RADDS i run throught the first say 5 batterys on all my new helis
just to get to know the heli
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Codicave, have you read all the documentation that came with your equipment? I know the quality of some is poor,


if you read a couple of posts earler i posted all the info i got with it

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/22/2009 11:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sure, no offence taken, or did I want to sound rude either. But altho the searches make suggestions for close matches, I have missed the the good stuff first time around if I get it wrong. Sometimes hopeless, sometimes amusing results!

I was told a while back, that if I want to do clever stuff, I actually had to learn to be clever! So since then, I soak up all I can learn, and don't rush things. Life is a walk, not a sprint, and I still get tempted to rush my learning. But the inevitable crash ($$$) brings me back to earth!

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 3/23/2009 4:50 PM   
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sorry I dont get to the forums during the weekends usually.

Your first problem of it not reacting to the stick and not starting up the same each time sounds like it could be related to throttle trim. try putting your throttle stick all the way down and use the trim tab to move the trim all the way down. Hopefully that will make it start up the same each time with the throttle off.

After setting the trim I would see if that helps with the spin up. But you need to count the beeps.

If you spin up cool. Next I would go into setup and setup all the parameters. Let us know if you can't seem to get the setup to work. again it might be a trim issue and it might need mid trim whereas starting up the heli may need full low trim. I think I said before let us know if you have any questions as to how to set any of the parameters. I listed a few of the standard settings in a previous post for you.

You should not need another battery, you just need to hook your stuff up right. The ESC's throttle wire should send plenty of power to your receiver and servo's. Normally the ESC will tell you how many amps it sends to the the servo's. 5 AMP is good some do as low as 3 amp. If you are using digital sero's you need higher amps like 5 or 6. Actually I can't remember if its amps or watts but either way its normally like 3 to 5 and 6 is great.

Actually when I mentioned getting the other equipment you did not appreciate the problem I was trying to explain. Its hell and a big testing process to see what works and a big learning curve to use anything but what your friends can help you with. But not to lament, Now you know what I was talking about. Oh, that expensive castle ESC setup I was telling you about is like Plug and play and so cool and easy to use with help screens and everything. I have had hell just getting into the setup of many ESC's even the good good ones/standard ones, the only walk in the park is the Castle Creations ESC. Well once you get into the setup you will probably go through it for hours trying to verify you did it right and getting used to moving the stick at the right moment to get your setup input. I hope your ESC beeps for each setup parameter or it will be hard to tell if you actually get it done. Some repeat back the settings as you input them to verify what you have set it to during the setup process. Anyway I am not sure of what your ESC will do but I know they are all pretty hard and just take pateince and effort and very very close reading and following of the directions.

But I think you are probably much closer than you think. Make sure your not in idle up during startup.

before you plug your motor in and all the other stuff (except lowering the trim) I have mentioned try to make sure your servo's are working and or anchor the heli down.

Oh and one other problem could be the ESC throttle is reversed, watch for that incase you need to reverse it on the Transmittler. But I think from your prior post it sounded like it beeped right for going into setup mode when the throttle was up so I think your alright on throttle direction.

Seemed like it only had one beep which meant the brake was off and that the brake beep is the only thing it warns you or tells you about during normal startup.

Let me know how it goes, good luck, your very close.

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