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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/3/2006 9:12 PM   
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The new Walkera 60 / DragonFly 60 is available now at your Store! Walkera-60 3D Electric RC Helicopter, new and with excepcional 7-ch remote control.

You can check detailed technical data at Walkera 60 at Minervahobby

Enjoy at least as i do!

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/3/2006 9:33 PM   
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Gyroed,
On computerized / digital transmitters it normally goes in channel 5. Then you can adjust the sensitivity. Under 50% HH turns off. usually start with it at 70 and go up untill it starts to wag the tail (sometimes called hunting) and then back of till it stops or is manageable.

Hopefully your Gyro can be used with normal radios, and has pots (little screwdriver spots) to adjust gain, sensitivity, and dip switches to select Digital or normal servos and normal or reverse. Then you wouldnt need to plug in the extra wire. (My EF gyro can only be used with radios that control the gyro but I've had othe HH Gyro's that can be done mannually or through the TXJD)

When you turn it on and press the rudder stick to turn right if it goes left you would have to reverse the servo from the transmitter. (if it then starts to spin uncontrollably in either the right direction or wrong direction you need to reverse the gyro direction)

so if it turns right when you want to you then can stop the motor. look at which way the pitch goes on the tail when you turn right with the stick and then pick it up holding it in your hand and turn it to the left and the tails gyro should act like its trying to turn right (the same way the tail rotors pitich changed when you gave it right turn with the stick input.) If the gyro make the pitch go the opisite way then you have to reverse the gyro dip switch on the gyro.

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/4/2006 2:57 AM   
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Next question, what would I adjust if my heli likes to rotate to the right. I have tried to adjust the trim on the radio that controls the tail but it doesnt seem to work. I believe this is the one that the gyro controls, so I would have to mess with some of the set screws right, on the gyro?

Has anyone done it? I only need to slightly adjust mine I can still fly it the way it is but would like to have it totally trimmed out for a smooth hover.

Ideas? Please be specific, pictures if possible.

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/4/2006 7:21 AM   
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Guess, JD answered that above....
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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/4/2006 8:19 AM   
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I think we are saying turn up the sensitivity if it slightly turns right.

normally you should be able to adjust the trim and then you go to far and it should start drifting to the left then. I am assuming that you can make it drift either way when I suggest turning up the sensitivity. if you cant get it to go the other way when trimmed all the way I would suggest either repositioning the arm on the servo or sliding the linkage holding the seasaw to get the thing to have the tail rotor blades centered/flat no pitch when the arm is pointing straight down on the servo. Try to get it as close as possible then try again. if you can now trim either right or left then turn up the sensitivity to get it to hold. and turn up the gain if it does not have enough movement to both the left and right on the servo. Servos normally should have at least a 45 degree deflection from center for both sides. So if the servo is centered you probably want to move the plastic collar on the boom up next to the frame either bach toward the tail or closer to the frame to get the tail rotor pitch right.

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/4/2006 8:13 PM   
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Gyroed,
On computerized / digital transmitters it normally goes in channel 5. Then you can adjust the sensitivity. Under 50% HH turns off. usually start with it at 70 and go up untill it starts to wag the tail (sometimes called hunting) and then back of till it stops or is manageable.

Hopefully your Gyro can be used with normal radios, and has pots (little screwdriver spots) to adjust gain, sensitivity, and dip switches to select Digital or normal servos and normal or reverse. Then you wouldnt need to plug in the extra wire. (My EF gyro can only be used with radios that control the gyro but I've had othe HH Gyro's that can be done mannually or through the TXJD)

When you turn it on and press the rudder stick to turn right if it goes left you would have to reverse the servo from the transmitter. (if it then starts to spin uncontrollably in either the right direction or wrong direction you need to reverse the gyro direction)

so if it turns right when you want to you then can stop the motor. look at which way the pitch goes on the tail when you turn right with the stick and then pick it up holding it in your hand and turn it to the left and the tails gyro should act like its trying to turn right (the same way the tail rotors pitich changed when you gave it right turn with the stick input.) If the gyro make the pitch go the opisite way then you have to reverse the gyro dip switch on the gyro.

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Thanks! Ill install it and give it a go this weekend!


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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/4/2006 9:15 PM   
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I just heard back from Futaba, they're gonna give me a new Gyro for 107.95 plus I spent 4.85 to ship the broken one to them. I think I am saving about $10-$20 haha, not much for my trouble and waiting.

But I can hardley wait to put it on my showgun. I better start working on getting it fixed so it is ready for the new Gyro.

But I still have to work on my NR3D to get it ready for the replacement brushless motor, Im gonna modify the frame, I think that will get this 3rd motor to work.

And I really want to install my new TX / RX in my walkera 60 brushed heli.

So much to do.

Let us know if you get your heli running good.

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Its raining, must be a repair night.


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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/5/2006 6:54 PM   
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I got my new brushless motor from RC expert yesterday, its a gold one that is wider and has fins and worked. I can hardley wait to fly it. Felt like it had a ton of lift at 1/3 throttle, I will have to look at the pitch curve. Oh, I changed out the radio and reciever to a DX6, I will let you know how it is, no more glitching I hope, And I put a Phoenix 35Amp ESC with the new motor. The new motor is different than others I have, it feels like there are no magnets, must be electro magnets. and sort of an out runner design.

I had to move my battery under the frame because it will not fit in the frame and is to front heavy with the new motor.
If someone finds a good battery that fits in the frame post it.

JD

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/6/2006 12:43 AM   
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JD,

Let me know how it goes for you. I think I am going to purchase a new ESC. This maybe the source of all the glitching. I have found a dealer that is in Texas and carriers all the parts for all walkera helicopters. Here is a link to his store and he is very helpful on the phone, very experienced. Hope this helps you guys as much as it has me.

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/6/2006 1:28 AM   
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Argos,

Tim at RCandMe is very helpful. fast and honest. He is now replacing the 2nd brushless motor I burned up due to installation problems. So I would say buy form him.

I flew my brushless walkera 60 for the first time a few minutes ago. its very windy out, 15 knots. NOt one radio hit. It was radical in the wind but I chanced it and then flew next to the garage door for a couple minutes shaded from the wind a little. What a rush.

I could smell the motor heating up so I decided to give it a rest. We'll see how it does with more flight and I will start timing them.

The new radio I got does not have a timer so I'll have to use the stopwatch on my watch. No biggie.

The tail rotor case rotated a little in flight. I'll see about tightening the screws.

Of course my Pheonix 35Amp ESC worked.

But if you want to end glitching - get the DX6.

No question about it, it was a dream. $200.00 (radio one receiver 4 servos, and charger). It can run 10 models. Each additional receiver is $60. I got two extras, one for my TREX and one for my brushed showgun, But I'm buying another tomorrow for my brushed motor Walkera 60. Every time I flew it (3 times I think) it gliched pretty bad, except when I flew it in the house a couple feet from me. But the new TX / RX made it fly perfect.

Now I want to fly it again, and I will feel real good about flying it in the house. although its a little big really, a lot of wash.

Argos, If your not going to get the DX6 Spectrum, Then try a ferite ring on the wire from the ESC to the RX. wind your wire through it 4 times at least and place it on the wire near the plug into the RX.

You get two in a bag. If one works a little try two. and if that doesnt work return them and try something else. But the Spectrum DX6 is the answer I believe. And look you get 100 worth of servos maybe and can sell the 60 TX and RX maybe for $50.

P.S anybody wanna buy one ?? Brand new never used. and one used 3 times. I guess I have two pair of TX / RX I won't be using. Either way you will be so happy glitch free. I'll help ya set it up. the heli looks pretty coll with no antenna!

JD


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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/6/2006 7:03 AM   
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Alright JD,

You have my attention, what do I need? What do you have for sale and how much. Who makes your radio? I will go search for it now.
It really makes sense that the glitching is the radio equipment and not anything else. Let me know, have you tried to fly your 60 outside, does it glitch with the stock stuff?

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/6/2006 8:11 AM   
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Argos

I have a spektrum now (DX6) They sell them everywhere including helihobby.com.

I will be selling my old reciever and transmitter for the 60. $50.00.

Yes, I flew outside with the new TX. It was perfect. I have two #60's. One brushed that I have been flying and one that is brushless that I just flew for the first time and I flew it with the new TX / Rx. My brused #60 has been glitchy each time I flew it to the point I was nerveous about hovering at a few feet and I keep it next to me within 10 feet or so outside.


This has been the worst glitchy heli of all of mine. So I got the new TX and RX. One post said it was so bad because of the metal frame. So I just said heck, these new radios are supposed to be impervious to glitches or other radio hits. They choose there own channel and have two RX and siginles running at the same time so one is a backup.

There are forums here talking about the new radio. I havent read any but helihobby said they sold two hundered of them already and they are the hottest selling radio they sell.

All I can say is, for the first time the 60 was dead rock solid, no glitches.

I don't need to say anymore.

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/6/2006 10:36 AM   
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Hello,

I have received the 3 sets of Walkera 60 I ordered from the Walkera factory. Shipment was pretty quick. 4 days door to door using DHL - after waiting one week for Walkera to get the ESC back on stock.
I got one for my self and the remaining for 2 friends.
We ordered the 60 with 2 sets of lipo's, 40A ESC and brushless motor.
The helis were set up with the stock brushed motor, NiMh battery and brush ESC. The additional equipment was in the box as well but not installed.
The batteries are 1200 mAh, the ESC 40A and the brushless motor is the 380L 1900 using a 3,17 mm shaft with a flat section.
Actually I was expecting a higher KV rating for the motor, but I guess the 1900 should work since Walkera sent this one.

I'm going to install the brushless set up asap, but there was no gear wheel delivered for the brushless motor.

Can anyone tell me the type of gear wheel to get for this motor? The brushed motor is using 14T, but I'm not sure if this gearing would match the new brushless motor.
I am wondering if the Align pinion gears would work?

First flight out of the box:
Weather has been terrible here in Denmark, so the underground parking lot under the office has been the test area so far.
My colleague and I took each a heli, charged the battery, checked the screws, blades looked to be well alligned, and went for the basement. It has to be said that we are both noobs with no experience of flying helis, except from hours used on the simulator ClearView on the PC. With this in mind I think we had great success so far. Both the two helis tested actually flew out of the box. Of course some adjustment has to be done to make them fly straight, but we got them off the ground trying to hover. Due to the space limitations in the garage we only did small and short hovers, but we managed to avoid crashes and from the 2 battery packs we used so far we didn't see any signs of any glitches at all. Quite impressive or lucky judging from other reports. Power was no problem, except the expected short battery life for the stock NiMh battery. They took off with less than half throttle so I have high expectations for the brushless and lipo.

The 3 rd heli hasn't been tested as the owner is away on holiday.
I can't wait to get outside in better weather and give it a real try.
More info as things progress.

Any help on the pinion gear for the brushless is appreciated.

Br

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/6/2006 11:26 AM   
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Heine,

The brushless motor takes a 10T. They should have included a tool kit in your box with an extra 10T and the small allen and screwdriver for the heli gyro.

Great to hear of your success, I have so many glitches I am going to order the DX6 as stated above.

Hope this helps.

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/6/2006 12:32 PM   
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Argos,

There was a small plastic bag containing 3 umbraco keys (maybe this is called an allen key) , a small screwdriver for the gyro and a 14T gear in 2 of the 3 walkera 60 boxes. Unfortunately it was missing in my box.
Anyway the 14T looks to be a spare one for the stock motor. The pinion for the 380L brushless is 3,17 mm where the pinion for the stock motor is only 2 mm, so there is no way to use the 14T on the brushless motor anyway - no big loss with the missing parts, besides from the tools.

I wrote Walkera regarding the missing parts and the pinion gear, but they will not ship it to me for free. They would add it in the box if I would order an additional heli - so I'm going to find one locally. It's just a question of what kind of wheel I should get.

Regarding the 10T. Since the motor is stated as 1900 KV wouldn't it give a rather low head speed?
Good luck with the DX6.

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/6/2006 3:28 PM   
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Thought I'd jump in here and say that the quality of the #60's is a lot better than the # 36's I have been flying. I sold one of my #36's and now just want to fly the # 60's. Burshless w/ 30a ESC. I had a couple of brushless mtr's around and they work fine. I've been fly fixed wing for about 25 years and these ele. helis. are the bomb! Other than a slight crash on one of the #36's (my fault) these guys flight great. But remember to do the 6 hours of preflight befor that 5 minute terror four feet in front of you, Ha. Ha.!!! And George, could you please take your CAP off, it hurts my old eyes.

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/6/2006 4:01 PM   
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Heine,

what does the motor look like? is it purple pink long and narrow or gold with finns?

mine came with a 1900mah batt

Sounds like your lucky. No broken parts. I assume you were hovering right next to yourself and not ver high 3 feet?

I seem to have glitching problems at 6 to 10 feet, and 10-15 ft away. I didnt go any further away from me because of the glitching.

I would think you should use the same number of teeth as the stock motor.

The normal lift off position on the throttle is half way. thats where you want the brushless to lift off also. That way at just below have stick your still on the ground and can switch to mode 2 without crushing your landing gear.

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/6/2006 4:13 PM   
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Argos, Heine,

I use a 10 T with some of my helis, I am not sure why these Walkera 60's come with so many teeth. abviously more teeth slow down the head and put less load on the motor. Most people want to run their motors at about 80%. I hear it is better for the motor.

I am told to run 10T (brushless Just go Fly 400DH) with my showgun and 9T with my TRex Align brushless 4330 kv. So these walkera's have more teeth than I would have expected.

I suppose you can start with more teeth and move down as you need more head speed for areobatics and 3D.

one thing about using the same number of teeth on the pinion for the brushless as the stock motor is they seem to line up better with the mesh of the main gear. At least that is how it seems to me.

But I am not an expert on teeth mesh and formulas for desired head speed. If you had a head speed meter I would think if your getting 1800-2100 that would be good in governor mode at 80-85% throttle. I guess with the walkera tx you can move the curve up so you attain more head speed sooner but cant really imulate governor mode, well maybe you can in mode 2 / Idle up.

I haven't tried or looked at the idle up stage on my Walkera 60 because of the glitching problem. Just glad to hover without to much dramatics. Anyway I am now using my DX6 and waiting for good weather to really get out and fly it.

Jd

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/6/2006 4:18 PM   
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Heine,

I guess your telling us the size of the motor's shaft. the pinion is the gear you want to put on it.

Interesting about what they sent you . I did not get an extra pinion with my stock motor kit.

But I did get the 14T with my brushless. and it works fine. I slid it on and I put in the set screw (allen head) and some locktite and it worked fine.

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/6/2006 9:17 PM   
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Hi,
Great, just received #60 , S*** not so great, the box has been squashed .
One bolt and nut missing from heli.
TX throttle on right and not left as requested.
TX leaver broken.
Tail servo wires chafing on main frame (sort circuit, servo stopped working).
Rerouted servo wires so the frame does not cut into them.
Whish box section was 5-10mm bigger so I could fit my lipo’s, any suggestions of a mod.

Replaced RX & TX and programmed and setup heli, just waiting for batter to recharge so I can test hove my new bird!!

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/6/2006 9:29 PM   
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How many channels do you guys have on the RX?

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/6/2006 9:58 PM   
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Delboy,

what RX TX did you switch to.

Who did you get the heli from.

Yeah, my Lipo battery they sent me is just a couple milimeters two wide for the frame. I had it stuck out front zip tied on and it was fine untill I got the brushless that was so heavy the battery needed to move back into the cage. Well I ended up zip tying the battery under the frame.

One of my 60's had the wrong mode tX also and a broken vertical stabilizer. the other #60 had a broken brushless motor. Lucky I had two, I put the right mode tx with the one with the good brushed motor and was able to fly.

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/6/2006 10:03 PM   
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my walkera 60 RX has 7 channels it says.

But my RX is only using 5 since the HH gyro has no second lead. Seems like it should have had 2, one to adjust the sensistivity.

A weird mix of turning dip switches on and off to program the heli.

Mine is working as shipped luckily. (one of them I switched to a DX6 TX , I plan on switching the other shortley)

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/7/2006 12:03 AM   
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hi all newbie in all of this i always wanted a heli from when i was a kid so i got one on ebay for 78 bucks nib it says shipping was 100 from hong kong of course but i got the brushed model from walkera

and it has been takin me forever to find a forum that talks nice about these helis even here in oklahoma they are so one sided about them but that is what i get for talkin to a hobby shop whos only interest is selling me a raptor for 2000 pffffffffff

i can't wait to fly it but i am gonna read this manual about 4 times before i even try to fly this bird mainly cause i don't wanna kill someone or my bird i also heard of some club called AMA does anyone have any info on these people i was told they cost like 50 a year and will insure you against any damge done by your lack of pioliting skills hahaha

well anyways thanks again all for all the help with this

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RE: WALKERA 60 - 4/7/2006 12:23 AM   
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Consultjdm,

The motor I go is this one: http://www.walkera.com/en/pro_particular.jsp?la=en&pro_number=WK-WS-28-005
I didn't order a specific motor, but just explained Walkera that I wanted the 60 with brushless setup.
The shaft is 3.17 mm and the 14T pinion found in the box doesn't fit. The 14T would probably fit one of the brushless motors with 2.3 mm shafts or the stock brushmotor. (thanks for explaining the pinion/shaft terminology)
Regarding more versus less teeth - more teeth on the small pinion will give you a higher head speed - not a slower.

If I understand right the equation should look like this:

KV rating x Volt input x pinion / maingear = head RPM

If the stock motor is say 3000 KV and the battery is 11 volts the product is 33000. If the stock pinion is 14T and you want a head speed of 2000 RPM the main gear should have 231 teeth. (33000*14/2000=231) I haven't counted the number of teeth on the main gear but around 231 could be realistic?)
Then if my brushless motor only have a kv rating of 1900 I would need a 22T pinion....this would probably not fit.
Something seams wrong here.

It's wierd that the Walkera website doesn't list any information regarding pinions for the motors. I wrote to Walkera regarding the pinion question but haven't heard from them yet.

Br

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