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RE: Blue Angel - Build - 3/21/2006 12:40:00 AM   
Jim_Purcha



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Status: offline 		Thanks Mike, the first photo explains it better. Some of my old tanks don't have the wrap around style of cover.

Jim

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RE: Blue Angel - Build - 3/21/2006 12:34:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Boy what a simple and great trick. It is these simple things shared that makes me feel, now why didn't I think of that. Thanks, the classics and tips like this is what keeps me looking.

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RE: Blue Angel - Build - 3/21/2006 2:47:29 PM   
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Boy what a simple and great trick. It is these simple things shared that makes me feel, now why didn't I think of that. Thanks, the classics and tips like this is what keeps me looking.



All the credit for the fuel tank mount goes to Tony Howard at Howard Engineering. They are without question the best engineered kits that I’ve ever built. It’s too bad they are not available anymore but the market for “Classic” kits is pretty limited.

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RE: Blue Angel - Build - 3/21/2006 4:55:00 PM   
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One of the things I always liked about the old Rom-Air retracts is that they would stay retracted for transporting and aircraft storage. While I was ordering my new Spring Airs they suggested a simple solution to keep the Spring Airs retracted. I just made a small wire retainer with a ribbon attached to it so it would not get lost. Pretty slick!

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What I use to keep the wing gear up, is a check valve (pet store one is fine. .. look in the aquarium section), some tubing, and an extra air line quick-connect. One stroke with the hand pump, and the gear are up.

Usually they leak out over a long time, but they stay up long enough for transport and such.

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RE: Blue Angel - Build - 3/21/2006 7:14:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good idea Bob!

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RE: Blue Angel - Build - 3/21/2006 7:15:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		The nose gear on the Blue Angel is a belly mount and mounts to a ¼” piece of plywood.

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RE: Blue Angel - Build - 3/21/2006 7:27:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		The nose gear mount is glued to the back lower edge of the firewall with 30 min epoxy. I used a square to keep it aligned while the epoxy set. I like to build the firewall, nose gear mount and tank mount as a unit before it is installed in the fuselage so there is easy access for drilling holes and installing all the blind nuts, etc.

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RE: Blue Angel - Build - 3/21/2006 9:31:53 PM   
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Does your steering arm extend out beyond the edge of the firewall, or is it just the angle of the pic? Just wondering how you were going to overcome that if it does extend out too far.

Tim

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RE: Blue Angel - Build - 3/21/2006 10:20:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		The original Blue Angel used beam mounts and only had a thin firewall, so I’ve modified it by designing the firewall to hold the radial mount. The area from the bottom of the firewall to the front of the aircraft and the bottom of the nose is a balsa block. I’m not sure that the arm will need to go forward beyond the firewall line for steering movement but if so I’ll hollow out space for it in the balsa blocks. I’m flying a little blind because I’m building from plans that are designed to build a kit with pre cut wood and from my memory of my friend’s FK speeda.

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RE: Blue Angel - Build - 3/21/2006 10:26:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Continuing my theme of completing all the firewall stuff before installing it in the fuselage I drilled the hole for the throttle cable and test fit the configuration.

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RE: Blue Angel - Build - 3/21/2006 11:03:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		8178, I can't quite make out the type of throttle linkage you're using. Is it a ball link? The work so far looks extremely neat!

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RE: Blue Angel - Build - 3/21/2006 11:23:18 PM   
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8178, I can't quite make out the type of throttle linkage you're using. Is it a ball link? The work so far looks extremely neat!


Thanks rainedav! I find it easer to plan all this stuff out when there is plenty of room to drill holes, etc. Yes it is a ball link but the ball has not been attached to the arm yet. The engine has a plastic arm so there is no worry of the plastic yoke on the ball assembly having problems from heat. Using the ball link gives the cable more freedom to change angles throughout the total movement of the throttle.

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RE: Blue Angel - Build - 3/22/2006 2:06:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Spring Air nose gear requires that the steering cable to be mounted so the control arm linkage is held at the center of the retract pivot point. My solution to this is a removable mount on the front of the cable sheath so it can be moved out of the way to install or remove the retract unit. If I make a removable clamp at the servo end the complete linkage can be removed. The mount bolts screw into blind nuts on the top of the retract gear mount. The steering cable control on the Blue Angel is tricky because of the low position of the retract steering arm and routing the cable over the top of the wing. I’ve cut dwells in the side of the F3 former in front of the wing for the steering cable and throttle cable.

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RE: Blue Angel - Build - 3/22/2006 2:18:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		8178, since I've never installed a nose gear retract before, what exactly happens to the steering linkage when the gear is retracted? Does it disengage somehow or does the cable go slack as the wheel is raised? Or is it set up so the steering arm doesn't move laterally? in that case does the arm rotate on a shaft? Since I'll be using a nose retract in my UFO I'm really curious and equally confused. Thanks.

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RE: Blue Angel - Build - 3/22/2006 2:33:12 AM