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CEN Racing Truggy?!?!? - 3/3/2006 3:52:08 PM

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CEN is releasing a 1/8 Truck this summer Andrew Smolnik and I raced a proto Truggy at the Dirt Nitro Challenge last month and Smolnik took 4th in the A-main with over 100 entries in the UMT class. The only trucks to beat the CEN was a proto Kyosho, the new TTR, and a Mugen MSR driven by Pavidus, Mayfeild, and Hughes. We only had 1 truck, so I set it up and we both used it in qualifying. I had engine problems, but Andy didn't and made the A-main. Hopefully we will have 2 or 3 for me, Ashton, and Smolnik at the Silversate this month. The truck handles the bumps better then any truck I have driven and it proved to be reliable, as only 5 of the 13 trucks finished the 30 minute A-main without a problem. Half of the trucks there were the Jammin, yet none finished in the top 5.

http://www.cenracing.com/51%20truggy.html

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RE: CEN Racing Truggy?!?!? - 3/3/2006 10:41:49 PM

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Will this truck be running the stock Matrix chassis or has this got a new longer base plate?

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RE: CEN Racing Truggy?!?!? - 3/3/2006 11:18:29 PM

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where are some pics?? does it look like the nemesis?

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RE: CEN Racing Truggy?!?!? - 3/3/2006 11:50:00 PM

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CEN is releasing a 1/8 Truck this summer Andrew Smolnik and I raced a proto Truggy at the Dirt Nitro Challenge last month and Smolnik took 4th in the A-main with over 100 entries in the UMT class. The only trucks to beat the CEN was a proto Kyosho, the new TTR, and a Mugen MSR driven by Pavidus, Mayfeild, and Hughes. We only had 1 truck, so I set it up and we both used it in qualifying. I had engine problems, but Andy didn't and made the A-main. Hopefully we will have 2 or 3 for me, Ashton, and Smolnik at the Silversate this month. The truck handles the bumps better then any truck I have driven and it proved to be reliable, as only 5 of the 13 trucks finished the 30 minute A-main without a problem. Half of the trucks there were the Jammin, yet none finished in the top 5.

http://www.cenracing.com/51%20truggy.html

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Yet you leave out vital information like drivers getting punted in mid air and various crashes. Prior to this race, Jammin has been very reliable and they use the same equipment that we buy at the local hobby shop. When all the new truggies hit the ground in production trim they will be having the same peoblems as jammin and others until the bugs are worked out. One truck one race. Lets see how these protos do when all the trucks finish.

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RE: CEN Racing Truggy?!?!? - 3/4/2006 12:18:57 AM

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i agree with you crazysavage
all new rc's that are just released have some sort of small problem sometime when you drive it
yea lets see how they do

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RE: CEN Racing Truggy?!?!? - 3/4/2006 12:33:18 AM

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i heard in that amain alot of drivers had DRIVER issues and at that level of racing you cant have a mistake or any other issues. i heard alot of the jammin drivers didnt have a very good day due to wrecks. with the caliber of drivers that jammin has now you probley wont see a non top 5 finish very often.

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RE: CEN Racing Truggy?!?!? - 3/4/2006 12:54:38 AM

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where are some pics?? does it look like the nemesis?

Its a truggy, why would it be made anything like the Nemisis?

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RE: CEN Racing Truggy?!?!? - 3/4/2006 2:23:49 AM

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well im not an expert but they try to make there so called amazing huges terrible .46 engine mt's look like truggies
sorry pal

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RE: CEN Racing Truggy?!?!? - 3/4/2006 4:39:02 PM

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http://www.cenracing.com/51%20truggy.html

The pictures are in this link.

It is nothing like a Nemesis. The chassis is longer then the Jammin and Hellfire.

I was not implying that the CRT was bad, I was just noting that the Jammin is the truck to beat right now and is the most popular and best selling truggy right now.

But as far as problems with newly released vehickles, I agree. But the only proto Kyosho and only proto CEN both finished the 30 min A-main, which is a great sign that the production kit will be reliable too. My pre-production Xray XB8 broke every day I drove it. It took 6 months before the production car was improved and stopped breaking. You can't win if you don't finish.

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RE: CEN Racing Truggy?!?!? - 3/6/2006 12:30:31 PM

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Based on my experience with CEN in the past, I would steer clear of anything "NEW" they release. Wait until the 3rd or 4th generation to buy it so you don't end up being part of the R&D team at your expense.

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RE: CEN Racing Truggy?!?!? - 3/6/2006 5:23:21 PM

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Cen has never released a pro off-road kit, so how can you have had a bad experience and be doing R&D for them? All RTR's are of cheap quality and need many upgrades to be competitive. That is why the cost is so low.
I sold a guy a Jammin CRT RTR 2 weeks ago and he turned it into a pretsel the first day at the track. The next day, he came in and bought a pro CRT because it was only a few hundred dollars more then replacing all the bent and broken parts on his RTR. I sold 3 7.5 rtr's and all 3 stripped the plastic spur gear the first day. I have sold 1 jammin RTR buggy, and the steering servo stripped out the first day at the track. All of the Hot Bodies stadium trucks have had the self tapping screws come loose and pull out of the bulkheads.

I race for Cen and I am still using the Matrix ARR because the pro kit is not out yet. With just a few upgrades, the car is very durable and handles better then any 1/8th scale I have ever driven.

And don't forget to put loctite on all your screws on RTR's, not just CEN but all brands.

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RE: CEN Racing Truggy?!?!? - 3/7/2006 4:50:58 AM

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I race for Cen and I am still using the Matrix ARR because the pro kit is not out yet. With just a few upgrades, the car is very durable and handles better then any 1/8th scale I have ever driven.

Of course it does. If you said differently, you wouldn't be racing for CEN any more... would you?? I would find your opinions more credible if you didn't race for CEN. I know you won't answer this honestly (if you do answer at all) but wouldn't you rather be racing for Kyosho, Jammin', Losi or even HPI/Hot Bodies??

A prototype vehicle represents about a $300,000 investment by a company. Everthing will be made perfectly and of top quality stuff. Comparing a prototype to something bought off the shelf is ridiculous especially if you are comparing durability. Of course the prototype is going to hold up better... it cost over a quarter of a million dollars!

After CEN comes up with a final design they will start accepting bids on making parts. That's when the problems begin. CEN, as they have in the past, will use a cheap manufcaturer, low quality materials and loose tolerances once the manufacturing process begins so they can make as much money as possible (and recoup that $300000 as quickly as possible).

A $600 RTR is not cheap and should not be made cheap. The Losi LST is a $600 RTR truck and managed to sort out their few issues quickly with happy customers singing songs of praise to their vehicles in the end. It is designed well and made with quality parts... and it does what it claimed it would do. Many LST owners will buy the more race worthy LST2 with a smile on their face.

RTR or NOT RTR. Quality is quality and CEN's is poor. Every RTR needs to be upgraded (a screw kit, a spur gear a chasis brace) but they don't need to be rebuilt and redesigned as CEN (and myself) had to do with the Genesis over and over again. This could be an isolated vehicle but it's the only CEN I have to base an opinion on. I purchased a CEN Genesis about 14 months ago (2nd generation figuring the bugs have been worked out). If I have 2 hrs of runtime on it I'm lucky (it does look pretty snazzy sitting on the shelf tho). Considering they stole about 90% of the design from the HPI Savage you would think the few things they changed would be done right. Nope. The transmission has yet to hit 3rd gear consistanly no matter how I adjust it, the POS engine is extremly "leaky" and wont hesitate to hit temps over 300 degrees. At around 300 the composite carburator warps and you end up with more air leaks and hence even higher temps. The main bearing leaks constantly. The Differentials bound right out of the box and the replacement gears they sent me weren't much better. The plastics are weak, the shocks are HORRIBLE no matter what fluid I try to run in them or springs I find to fit them. Their rotostart clone is barely torquey enough to turn over my OS .12 let alone any other decent motor (not that the .46 is decent) and will soon melt down as the botton sticks and spins until doomsday. Shall we talk about the bargain basement radio they installed or the servos they use that are so glitchy I can't use them.. in anything? They have a long list of aftermarket parts "available" but seems you couldn't find anyplace that stocked them (at least not before the Nemesis was released). Their customer service is OK the first couple times you call them but soon they start putting you on hold and forgetting you're there so they don't have to deal with you..... AGAIN.

With the hype surrounding the release of the CEN Genesis, it would have been the their ticket to the "big time" and they totally blew it. The only way to get a Genesis that works the way it should is to buy their "limited edition" (silver) one or build your own. That would be the 4th generation of that truck (in less than a year I might add) while those suckered into buying generation 1... 2.... 3 are irritated as hell because the "limited edition" truck is only what people expected the Genesis was from the word go. So those that bough generations 1-3 R&Ded the Genesis so that CEN could raise the price and sell Generation 4. All three generations were on hobby store shelves at the same time. You identified the generations not by the upgrades it had but by the design flaws it didn't.

CEN's loyal followers are kids that are looking for something gimmicky (biggest, .46, fastest out of the box, 73.4 MHP... blah blah) but very few that take this hobby seriously will even use "racing" and "CEN" in the same sentence, let alone trust them to build a race worthy production truggy... RTR... PRO or otherwise. I know I wouldln't and I can't say I know someone who would.

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RE: CEN Racing Truggy?!?!? - 3/7/2006 5:51:58 AM

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someones had atough time with cen
ive heard all but negatives about them
let alone parts are terrible support
there so called amazingly fast .46 isnt good at all i heard a collari .32 killed it

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RE: CEN Racing Truggy?!?!? - 3/7/2006 5:01:15 PM

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Kyosho, Jammin', Losi or even HPI/Hot Bodies?? I can answer that.

I raced for Kyosho in 2001 and 2002. I turned down an offer from Kyosho for the 2006 season. I raced for Losi from 1998-200 and they were great but they don't make a 1/8th scale buggy. I already drove for Ofna in 2003. I drove for Xray in 2004-2005. Hot Bodies is an exact copy of the Kyosho and does not have a race team besides Hara.

Cen based the Matrix on the 7.5 but changed and added many new things. 2006 is Cen's first year having a race team (not just employees who race).

I have never had a Genesis, but again, the Genensis is a backyard basher RTR, not a pro racing kit. It could be compared to the Traxxas T-maxx. I raced one in 2002-2003, but had to spend about $2,500 in JT Racing hop-ups before the truck was race reliable.
The CEN Matrix Pro will be their first ever race kit. And this summer, they will release a Truggy RTR and then a Pro truggy kit that will be much better then the RTR, have improved/better quality parts, and cost more money. You get what you pay for.

You have to compare apples to apples. For example: the Kyosho 7.5 Sprot 2 rtr costs $424.99 and comes with a cheap 2 channel AM radio. It has thin chassis/towers, 3.0mm shock shafts, plastic spur gear, no sway bars or front chassis brace, 4 gear diffs, ect. The Cen Matrix is $450 and comes with an Airtronics FM radio, 3.5mm shock shafts, a metal spur gear, 6 gear diffs, thick chassis/Shock tower/braces, and a front and rear 1 peice chassis brace, front and rear sway bars, metal servos, ect.

And I believe that CEN is a manufacture, not a distributor, so they do most if not all the production in house (as well as manufacturing for other car companies). So if there is a problem, they can change it and make it better very fast. Other manufactures outsource most of their production, so when there is a problem, it can take a year or more before they can get the company making their parts to fix or change them.

But this is not a thread about me or bashing Cen, it was started to let racers know that a CEN Truggy is on its way.

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