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RE: WALKERA 37 - 6/25/2006 12:38:28 AM   
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Well I finally got my 37 flying great! I took it out and flew for about 30 minutes this afternoon. I was able to do some pretty decent forward flight and some stable 360's. I still can't fly nose it so the 360's are a bit scary but my bird is so stable now that it's not a problem. My brushless outrunner and esc are performing flawlessly. The power is great. My tail servo relocation mod really helps the tail rotor control. The stock gyro works great in HH mode. I love this thing.

I painted the interior of my canopy fluorescent yellow today. I need to put about two more coats on it but I think it's gonna be great. I taped off the windscreen and will finish that off in black later on. It's nice to be able to work on cosmetics instead of of major mechanicals. I can't wait to charge up my batteries and take it out again! What a blast this is!

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RE: WALKERA 37 - 6/25/2006 4:02:48 AM   
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Hi
Does anyone know a link to a manual for the 37. I ordered one and am waiting on it and would like to see a manual before I get the heli. I own a blade CP and I'm tired of burning out rear motors. So we will give this a try

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RE: WALKERA 37 - 6/25/2006 8:10:48 AM   
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You can download manual pages from ehirobo. But requering membership.

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RE: WALKERA 37 - 6/25/2006 9:27:00 PM   
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I wrote to rcandme.com this morning asking if they were planning to get an aluminum head for the DF37. This is their response:

HI Mark,

We area working on the Head now from one direction and will test and see if it will work.
We have also ordered the metal heads from Walkera, but they don’t know when they will be able to ship, they don’t have them done yet. So it should be about a month before we have this ready from one or another..

Keep in touch and check back

thanks




So it looks like we'll be able to get a CNC aluminum head for these things in about a month!

On another note, I took mine to a local ballfield today and flew for about 30 minutes. It was kind of breezy but it flew great. I still had 11.24 volts on my lipo, even after almost half an hour!

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RE: WALKERA 37 - 6/25/2006 10:45:47 PM   
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Well I finally concluded its never going to fly more than 1 foot off of the ground with the stock equipment so I ordered a 12c 2200 11.1V lipo, outrunner 400DH and a ESC today. I also ordered the pinion set and the tail servo mount. I was having the same problem as some others, the heli wants to creep right no matter what you do with the trim and even full rudder input. I hope to cure this with the new mount and some adjustments. The radios and servos seem to be working great otherwise. Hey Army did you keep the 11t pinion or go smaller? Also what model outrunner motor did you buy?

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RE: WALKERA 37 - 6/25/2006 10:53:20 PM   
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Hey wannabe, I ordered this motor:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6047634335&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RSCC_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT

I also used the 11T pinion from Align (it's a set of three that comes with the 10,11,12 (or maybe it was the 11, 12, 13)). The 11T works great and I get super long flight times. I actually get tired of flying before my battery gets drained. Also you might want to relocate your servo to the rear. I did and it cured my tail rotor woes. You can see the example a few pages back... It's a much better setup.

-Mark

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RE: WALKERA 37 - 6/25/2006 11:03:33 PM   
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Thanks Army, yes I did see yours and did order the tail mounting kit. It looks much cleaner mechanically. Since it wont fly, I already disassembled and removed the unecessary linkage. I think I may have to shorten the control rod just a bit, we'll see. With the servo removed I noticed there was some binding in the minimum pitch position. I think that may have been the main problem so I have that freed up now. With the new mounting I hope to have that completely cured. I'll know in a week or two.

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RE: WALKERA 37 - 6/25/2006 11:32:56 PM   
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I ordered one of the control linkages from the #36 dragonfly for the tail. It was a bit shorter than the one that came stock on the DF37 so it made the installation of the servo a little easier. I did use the stock one for a while until the 36 showed up but it's tight. The servo has to be installed ALL the way forward to make it work.

I had some of that binding in the minimum pitch position too. It must be a factory problem. I would eventually like to put a CNC tail on it. I will be ordering a CNC head as soon as they are available (hopefully next month, see my previous post)

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RE: WALKERA 37 - 6/26/2006 7:10:38 PM   
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For all of you that crash and have the MAIN ROTOR SHAFT bent "HM-37-Z-09 "

"the shaft the holds the blade holders"

I found a ALIGN replacement.

Mfr:ALN
Part #: ALNHS1003
Price: $6.29 ( in a Florida hobby store )
AND YOU GET 4 in the BAG. just around 6.50!!!!!! SUPER!

Visually and mecanicly installed by me. Go ahead and order AWAY!

Normally one of these for the DF 37 is about 5.00 bucks. JUST FOR ONE UNIT! "R@@@@S"





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RE: WALKERA 37 - 6/26/2006 8:21:27 PM   
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I figured out how to stop the "EVERLASTING YAW SYNDROME"

This is what I call it know.. as you many of us have the pleasure
of seeing the DF37 in a unforgiving yaw spin with no end. No matter
the direction... and worst, the trim does not fix it.

After many hours of adjusting the servo shaft at both ends, still too
no resolve... I figured it out, so know I don't have do a mod on it.

The problem lies with the speed of the main rotors. Many of us
crashed DF37 and replaced the blades. But did you actually
verified the angle of attack? The angle on the blades that produces
the lift? Well.. the more angle you have, the more lift, but you
put more strain on the motor, and cut your battery fly time if you have to
much angle.....which by the way ..if you have more angle, your rotational
blade speed is lower, just enough to set your yaw outa wack if not
aligned properly. HENCE my solution for the problem with a belt drive.

So, picture this, and if you understand it.. you'll get it right away.

Cause of the mechanical aspect of the DF37, you will never, ever, and never, get
the DF37 to rotate counter clock wise " the same direction as the blades rotation"
by adjusting the trim or the servo rod, or
what ever you do unless you "SUPER MOD IT"...this only suppose to happen by inertia,
and ONLY WHEN HALF OR MORE THROTTLE IS GIVEN.

The rotation speed of the rudder blade is directly proportional to the speed
of the main rotors.

The way it works, is totally controlled by the Reciever unit.
In theory, there is a set MID point (throttle speed) at this stage, you
should have enough rudder to keep the DF 37 from drifting counter
clockwise. (hence were you should make your mecanical adjustment)

Second, when this point is passed (throttle up more), the receiver
will start to send a signal to the servo that controls the angle of the rudder
blades. The more throttle you give, the more angle of attack should
the rudder blades have. This is to compensate for the more rotational
inertia force manifested by the main rotor blades.

Because of the difference in the main blade angle of attack, from the mid
throttle point, to full throttle, the trims should be sufficient on alignment.

If your trim does not work, then your are very far from the MID point setting.

On my unit. I have the angle of the main blades to the point were at full
blast it won't fly.. I just want it light enough for it to hover on the training kit.

At full throttle.. when the DF37 nose is facing away from me, when I move the rudder
joystick to the left, it causes the DF37 to rotate counter clock wise.. it's very
responsive. But this happens not because the servo puts so much angle
on the rudder, as a matter of fact, it does not, it hardly puts some at all! You get it?
It takes very little at full throttle.

IF you get this right on MID point, the clockwise YAW will fall into place
on it's own. This is the way it should be. Hope this helps.

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RE: WALKERA 37 - 6/26/2006 8:38:20 PM   
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Cepeda -

You're the man! Does the main shaft fit as well? That would be great to know. Let me know any other align parts you use. I would love to know if the canopies fit. The tail boom DOES fit as well as the Tail Servo Holder.

-Mark

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RE: WALKERA 37 - 6/26/2006 9:01:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: W37 Cepeda

I figured out how to stop the "EVERLASTING YAW SYNDROME"

This is what I call it know.. as you many of us have the pleasure
of seeing the DF37 in a unforgiving yaw spin with no end. No matter
the direction... and worst, the trim does not fix it.

After many hours of adjusting the servo shaft at both ends, still too
no resolve... I figured it out, so know I don't have do a mod on it.

The problem lies with the speed of the main rotors. Many of us
crashed DF37 and replaced the blades. But did you actually
verified the angle of attack? The angle on the blades that produces
the lift? Well.. the more angle you have, the more lift, but you
put more strain on the motor, and cut your battery fly time if you have to
much angle.....which by the way ..if you have more angle, your rotational
blade speed is lower, just enough to set your yaw outa wack if not
aligned properly. HENCE my solution for the problem with a belt drive.

So, picture this, and if you understand it.. you'll get it right away.

Cause of the mechanical aspect of the DF37, you will never, ever, and never, get
the DF37 to rotate counter clock wise " the same direction as the blades rotation"
by adjusting the trim or the servo rod, or
what ever you do unless you "SUPER MOD IT"...this only suppose to happen by inertia,
and ONLY WHEN HALF OR MORE THROTTLE IS GIVEN.

The rotation speed of the rudder blade is directly proportional to the speed
of the main rotors.

The way it works, is totally controlled by the Reciever unit.
In theory, there is a set MID point (throttle speed) at this stage, you
should have enough rudder to keep the DF 37 from drifting counter
clockwise. (hence were you should make your mecanical adjustment)

Second, when this point is passed (throttle up more), the receiver
will start to send a signal to the servo that controls the angle of the rudder
blades. The more throttle you give, the more angle of attack should
the rudder blades have. This is to compensate for the more rotational
inertia force manifested by the main rotor blades.

Because of the difference in the main blade angle of attack, from the mid
throttle point, to full throttle, the trims should be sufficient on alignment.

If your trim does not work, then your are very far from the MID point setting.

On my unit. I have the angle of the main blades to the point were at full
blast it won't fly.. I just want it light enough for it to hover on the training kit.

At full throttle.. when the DF37 nose is facing away from me, when I move the rudder
joystick to the left, it causes the DF37 to rotate counter clock wise.. it's very
responsive. But this happens not because the servo puts so much angle
on the rudder, as a matter of fact, it does not, it hardly puts some at all! You get it?
It takes very little at full throttle.

IF you get this right on MID point, the clockwise YAW will fall into place
on it's own. This is the way it should be. Hope this helps.


Cepeda-

I'll give you some more info on the "YAW" problem. The way I fixed it:

1. Move the tail servo to the tail boom - This just takes out some of the slop from all the linkages and makes things more responsive.

2. Center up the servo arm as well as the tail slider. (there are lots of posts on how to do this)

3. Make sure the GYRO is set to about 70%, AVCS, and NORM

4. Turn on the TX, Turn on the Aircraft, and flip DIPSWITCH number 12 to the ON position. Start with both V1 and V2 fully COUNTERclockwise.

5. Try picking up the aircraft to a hover. You can play with the V1 and V2 knobs with the DIPSWITCH ON until you get it perfect. Once you are happy, Turn Number 12 OFF.

You'll be amazed how important the right dipswitch/V1/V2 settings are for this thing. It as the last thing I tried and it made a huge difference!! After I put my brushless motor in, there was so much power, I could not keep the tail from spinning. Now it locks on perfect.



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RE: WALKERA 37 - 6/27/2006 1:44:52 AM   
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Wow thats a ton of good information and yes I did trash a main rotor blade early on when I had ESC problems. I spent hours straitening the main shaft and replaced both blades but I had to adjust the tracking to get the blades to track properly. I probably introduced my problem there. It has never stopped yawing clockwise since. I ordered a new burshless motor, lipo and esc (see previous posts) but I will take your advice and make sure the pitch is set correctly once the new components are installed. Now I am getting excited. To think this thing may actually fly properly after all.... Army I like your new photo. Keep up the good work guys it's soooo much help.
Jim

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