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RE: 424 racing in SW MO - 4/15/2007 4:36:41 AM   
patternman



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Re: muffler. After 4 years of tinkering with mufflers, and loosing three in our field somewhere, I have come up with several fixes that work.
Yes, all thread will work, double nutting on both ends, but it expands at a different rate than the muffler and the tail cone still gets loose.
I kept the muffler intact, did not try to tighten it up much, and drilled a little hole through the nut and the bolt and put a pin through it, so the nut will not turn off the bolt. I had to get a hardened little drill bit.
I also drilled three holes around the joint of the two halves, tapped them, and put a short screws through the tapped holes, with lock tite, then ground off the heads. This makes it kinda permanent, but I'm never taking it apart again. these two tyes of fixes have worked for me several seasons and many trips around the poles.
the original mufflers, with no reworking, did not last five laps. the bolt expands, the nut loosens, the rear cone falls off. I lost three in quick succession.
My hobby shop stocked up on them once he knew he had a steady customer, but now has three mufflers sitting on the shelf.

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RE: 424 racing in SW MO - 4/16/2007 1:43:09 PM   
patternman



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Status: offline 		concerning getting together at the Joplin R/C Club field April 17th
We have a 100% chance of rain coming, according to weather underground.
Let's try to get more planes ready for our next meeting May 15th.
Meanwhile I will be practicing going fast and turning left.
I also want to get some flags, draw some lines on our filed, and set up a place for judges to sit.
Again, this next Tuesday does not look good, weatherwise, although as I am writing this, Monday, it will be a 70 degree day and clear.
Next month will be better perhaps, May 15th, 5-7 pm.
I will set up pylons May 1 for those who want to practice 5-7pm.
I check e-mail more than this forum, so e-mail me
Dana dcalef@hotmail.com

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RE: 424 racing in SW MO - 4/16/2007 4:29:10 PM   
aseaholm



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Carl Melin of the Barnstomers is putting on the contest. I believe you and I attended combat contest down at that Hillsdale field many years ago.

I shot him another e-mail this weekend. He may be out of town, but I'll get more info posted as soon as I hear back. It's a good field to race at.


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RE: 424 racing in SW MO - 4/16/2007 5:06:04 PM   
Clean



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Status: offline 		Ahh Hillsdale, heck, Joplin might actually be closer! Cool, well it's work day on Saturday but I'll see if I can get down to watch a little bit.


Here's a link from the club webpage http://www.rcbarnstormers.org/rc_events/Run_Whatcha_Brung.pdf

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RE: 424 racing in SW MO - 4/16/2007 5:26:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		AJ can you post directions to the Hillsdale field I think I was there back in the eighties(been way to long to remember at this point) Thanks,Eddie

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RE: 424 racing in SW MO - 4/16/2007 6:54:31 PM   
aseaholm



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Thanks for the link. I couldn't find their website for the life of me. Below is the scoop for Sunday as well, this might work better for your schedule.

Eddie,

Here's the link to the Barnstormer's website.

http://www.rcbarnstormers.org/

The maps/directions are located under the "About Us" link here:

http://www.rcbarnstormers.org/aboutus.html

Would be great to meet up with you. Also would really like to get the fire lit again for racing in the MO/KS/NE/IA reagion.

Here is Carl's response, as I suspected he was on vacation:

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A.J. :

We intend to run a Run-Whatcha-Brung race on Saturday the 5th. That will involve Time Trials, followed by staggered start racing with any airplane the contestant brings out, from a hand launched .049 to 1/3rd Scale Laser!!

It is amazing how close the finishes are!! We will set up the Poles and the lights and the cages!!

Then on Sunday the Q-500 race will take place with Registation at 9:00am setting up a Matrix and Racing in three classes that we call Nelson, Rossi/MVVS, and ThunderTiger should Start by 10:00am.

We will try to run 5 heats in each class, depending of course on how many show up!! We expect to have callers at Pylon 1 with the cage, lights and cut signs but probably not for 2 and 3. Will have to rely on the Flagman for those cuts!! The club has antied up for fuel for the Q-500 race. We have not yet decided whether we should charge an entry fee, and have trophies, or have neither!!

Carl Melin

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SOUNDS LIKE FUN!!!

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RE: 424 racing in SW MO - 4/16/2007 6:56:57 PM   
aseaholm



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Status: offline 		PS - Dana, I don't mean to hijack your thread.

I'll make another topic to move this discussion. But I do think if we can get eveyone on board in about a 3 hr. radius, the racing will be a lot more fun...

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RE: 424 racing in SW MO - 4/17/2007 4:40:43 AM   
patternman



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Status: offline 		I'm cool with it.
Anything to see racing develop in 4-state area.
We are just getting started and need to visit a few locations to see what works well.
Then some equipment and forms for running a proper race.
Then some interest from guys in the know.
It may rain Apr 17th, but I will set up pylons in Joplin for practice May 1 and run for fastest ten laps on May 15th, and talk to the club May 15th 7 pm at the field about setting a Saturday racing event.
Dana

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RE: 424 racing in SW MO - 4/17/2007 7:00:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Dana, If it's not raining tomorrow afternoon is it still on? If not will anybody be there, I'll drive up if it looks like the rain will miss, Test flew my tonight what a pig!! I need some power. Call if it looks like the rain will miss you guys. Seeya ,Eddie

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RE: 424 racing in SW MO - 4/17/2007 12:52:27 PM   
Clean



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Status: offline 		Just for the Joplin weather, here's the Wunderground link

http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=Joplin%2C+mo

I'll probably order a plane at the end of the month, so it will probably be after SPADfest (June 1,2 and 3) before I worry about getting some racing done. But I should have some flights on it by then.

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RE: 424 racing in SW MO - 4/18/2007 5:01:10 AM   
patternman



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Status: offline 		Thanks for coming up, eddie, and checking us out, timing a run, and helping our club decide on what to do with pylon racing. It is set. Every Tuesday except the third Tuesdays of the month, is practice and running for fast timed ten laps. I have a couple of guys that will help with the flags and timing. If we want a Saturday per month to run a race, just let them know what Saturdays. There you have it, Joplin R/C Club is welcoming pylon racers, especially (in my opinion) 424, but any are welcome, around its two pole course. We need hard hats, judges cages, lights and what ever else is needed to run a proper race, but we are open for business. Tonight I ran a 1:50 and 1:37:48, but still a little wild at times. I am psyched about getting some rythm and control dialed in, and seeing what I can consistently turn.
Question: what diameter should turns be on a two pole course zipping at over 100mph?
It is up to you that are interested, what Saturdays this summer would you like to have Joplin host a race, and of what kind? Give a response here so we know what kind of interest we have.


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RE: 424 racing in SW MO - 4/20/2007 2:50:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Dana, I'm ready for a race when are ya gonna have the first race? I think a sat. race would be good for the people that are mon.-fri. jobs. What does everybody else think about 1-2 pm on a sat. to start? Let me know I've got props and plugs let's go racing!! Eddie

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RE: 424 racing in SW MO - 4/21/2007 11:09:42 PM   
patternman



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Status: offline 		Eddie,
I'm feeling pretty good about that 1:38 third run of the season. Do you think that was 10 laps or nine? Come up and practice any Tuesday except the third Tues of the month at about 5-7 pm and at least I will race you!
About a Saturday race at the Joplin field... Still waiting to hear from others that might be involved.
How about it, "others" in SW MO, KS, and OK? Some Sat. in June or July?
Dana

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RE: 424 racing in SW MO - 4/27/2007 2:34:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are some tips here.
Darrol Cady Tips page
Although written some time ago for the Predator they apply to the Viper as well. One change that will greatly improve the performance is to get rid of all that garbage that is in the slip stream on the tail. Install torque rods on the the underside of the elevator and raise the v-tail up to eliminate the junction formed where it meets the fuse; i.e., you want three angles formed, one on the top at 110 dg., and one one either side at 125 dg. each. The way it is there are 4; two on each side at 55 dg. and 125 dg. The more junctions you have and the sharper the angle the more drag. 55 dg. causes more drag than 110.

If you must then run the push rods out the under the v-tail, but better yet get them inside the fuse using ball links. I swiped this picture from Bill Vargas's article on how to do skinned hinges.
NMPRA website
Look at the bottom of the home page. There is also a shot of the correct mounting of the v-tail on the top side of the fuse.

It takes a little work, but it will result in a cleaner and faster Viper and it looks cool too!

SD
Oops, misspelled Bill's name; Vargas is correct.

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