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New competing model Association in Canada? - 3/9/2006 4:57:01 AM   
Sharpy01



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Status: offline 		A couple of straight up questions to anyone involved/in the know. Not seeking gimmicks, games or spin.

Today, from two different, unconnected flyers I know in Southern Ontario, I was asked if I had heard the rumour that someone was planning to launch a competing association that would also be offering insurance coverage. The rumour-mill has the yearly fee pegged at $25.00.

For the record, one had heard that it was/had ties to this "CAC" thing while the other only heard it was simply originating in Ontario. A dark side to the rumours suggested that civil action against MAAC was planned to set the stage for the new association. Personally, I doubt the law suit stuff as it seems it wouldn't be a very intelligent way to win favour/members with flyers if you plan to compete for their bucks.

Regardless, the questions to anyone involved/in the know;

- Is there a solid plan for a competing assiciation?

- If so, what kind of coverage is being offered? (amount / 1st or 2nd payer etc)

Anyone else heard anything about this? Surely, I'm not one of the few waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay up here in the middle of nowhere?



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RE: New competing model Association in Canada? - 3/9/2006 9:09:44 AM   
Jason Holdaway


 

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Status: offline 		If there was, I'm sure it would be grand. $25 to join, and you have no rights........just like the CAC.....

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RE: New competing model Association in Canada? - 3/9/2006 11:23:30 AM   
Ed Smith


 

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RE: New competing model Association in Canada? - 3/9/2006 12:05:36 PM   
Sharpy01



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ORIGINAL: Ed Smith

Now Marc, what are we supposed to think when you are the only one who knows anything about it?

Ed S


lol ................. No Ed, I'm not involved. I have speculated in the past that a competing association may rise if MAAC didn't start paying attention to what the majority are doing, but I always assumed such a movement would originate in the West. Seriously Ed, keep your ear to the ground because the rumours have roots down your way. I'm simply interested in some detail to see if there is any substance, as opposed to some spite driven grumbling resulting from recent events.

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RE: New competing model Association in Canada? - 3/9/2006 3:04:28 PM   
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AMA & Sport Flyers ring a bell????

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RE: New competing model Association in Canada? - 3/9/2006 3:55:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sharpy01
For the record, one had heard that it was/had ties to this "CAC" thing while the other only heard it was simply originating in Ontario. A dark side to the rumours suggested that civil action against MAAC was planned to set the stage for the new association. Personally, I doubt the law suit stuff as it seems it wouldn't be a very intelligent way to win favour/members with flyers if you plan to compete for their bucks.



Marc if indeed this were to be connected with the CAC and the start of a competing organization then it becomes clear why they may have been refused a charter in the first place. I wonder would the executives of this new organization if it were involved in a lawsuit against MAAC be entitled to MAAC membership. Since MAAC is the only organization with a reciprocal agreement in the US how would this affect their flying in the US????

Dennis


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RE: New competing model Association in Canada? - 3/9/2006 6:36:03 PM   
Sharpy01



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ORIGINAL: Propworn


Marc if indeed this were to be connected with the CAC and the start of a competing organization then it becomes clear why they may have been refused a charter in the first place. I wonder would the executives of this new organization if it were involved in a lawsuit against MAAC be entitled to MAAC membership. Since MAAC is the only organization with a reciprocal agreement in the US how would this affect their flying in the US????

Dennis



Personally, I don't have a problem with healthy competition (relating to modelling bucks). If it's a bona fide attempt, I'm interested in more information. There shouldn't be any need to keep something like this "hush-hush" as anyone organizing such a business would certainly want to get as much info out to potential members asap?

If the business plan's success rests within some kind of civil action.................. it will fail. I doubt many are interested in joining some "crusade" to bury MAAC.

Of course, it's all just speculation at this point until someone with more than rumour steps forward.

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RE: New competing model Association in Canada? - 3/9/2006 6:45:48 PM   
goldguy


 

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Status: offline 		I gave up on visiting these sites some time ago, but the reason for my return was to see if I could figure out what was going on after hearing exactly what Sharpy mentioned, and I live on Vancouver Island. Now mind you, it was from only one person and he didn't say where he heard it from, only asking me if I knew anything. This person's take on it was...it was Chuck Smith's efforts to bring MAAC down and the guy who said this has no idea of what has been going on in model airplane politics, or even who Chuck Smith is.

So, there you go. He tells his story to someone else and it just kepts getting added to to make it even more interesting by the guy telling it. It's called gossip and can be very harmfull. You all know how this stuff spreads. Someone brings up the subject of the CAC, the next guy speculates about a new organization offering insurance and the next thing it's all factual.

Hey, by the way, I heard that the province of B.C. is going to join up with the good ol' U.S. of A. and we will all have to become AMA members.......anyone on that one????????

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RE: New competing model Association in Canada? - 3/9/2006 7:23:21 PM   
Sharpy01



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Status: offline 		I could care less about names. Not interested.

I am simply interested to know if there is any fact behind the rumour and if credible,

................what will the organization offer us for the 25 bucks?


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RE: New competing model Association in Canada? - 3/9/2006 8:40:15 PM   
300sflyer


 

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Status: offline 		Given all of the other facts that have surfaced in the last while, I would not be surprised "if" the rumors are true.

While I find this to be very sad that it has perhaps come to this, I kind of hope they are true..... It would finalize a # of things, and MAAC could then put more effort into the day to day runnings of our organization, instead of having to deal with all of the recent discontent...

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RE: New competing model Association in Canada? - 3/9/2006 9:22:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: goldguy

Hey, by the way, I heard that the province of B.C. is going to join up with the good ol' U.S. of A. and we will all have to become AMA members.......anyone on that one????????


Damned good idea -- go for it.

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RE: New competing model Association in Canada? - 3/9/2006 10:38:21 PM   
Ed Smith


 

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: goldguy

Hey, by the way, I heard that the province of B.C. is going to join up with the good ol' U.S. of A. and we will all have to become AMA members.......anyone on that one????????



quote:

Damned good idea -- go for it.


Best idea I have heard in years!

Ed S

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RE: New competing model Association in Canada? - 3/9/2006 11:01:11 PM   
Kevin Perry


 

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RE: New competing model Association in Canada? - 3/9/2006 11:34:54 PM   
Sharpy01



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ORIGINAL: Kevin Perry

Keep dreaming up stuff boyz. You guys are everything you **** about not being right. LOL ...keep em coming this is a good one

KP


Kevin:

I simply asked if anyone knows anything about a new association being formed, and if so, what does it offer?

I could care less about names and that whole CAC mess. I have no stake in any of that garbage.

I've made no bones about my knowledge being rumour based. If you have solid info, one way or the other, please enlighten.

I'm interested.

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RE: New competing model Association in Canada? - 3/9/2006 11:40:42 PM   
Kevin Perry


 

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Hey Sharpy...


It was not meant as a personal attack...more of general comment . This post is the first I have ever herd of anything. No one in the SW zone I know of wishes to start up a competitor to MAAC .

Who would actually want that burden ?

KP

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RE: New competing model Association in Canada? - 3/10/2006 1:32:39 AM   
Sharpy01



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Status: offline 		Could just be a bunch of cranky talk as a result of recent events.

Perhaps it's a pre-emptive position in the event the BOD turf's some membership(s) after the new bi-laws are enacted.

If action like this is being considered by the BOD, they should probably not rush to that decision. IMO They have to ask themselves, (besides some personal satisfaction after doing battle for such a long time), what would be gained? In reality, would any person, who intended to somehow hurt the organization be stopped from doing so without a membership? Does anyone seriously believe that anyone outside the membership wouldn't be able to get information?

If you boot members out, you likely give them power and a podium they wouldn't otherwise have. Regardless of how you may feel about certain actions deemed negative, they likely have done some good work as well or they wouldn't have had a following in the first place. Furthermore, you load the gun for civil action, which may be exactly what is being sought. As it is now, unless there is some illegitimate child involved somewhere, I doubt anyone has any r