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downunder -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (3/21/2006 6:38:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sigrun
Sure. Those who buy Castrol M at my clubs today pay 2006 pricing, not 1993 pricing. [8|]


Granted I didn't give today's price, the quote I had was from 2 weeks ago.

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ORIGINAL: sigrun
Show us the image of the outside -BEFORE - you cleaned the baked on brown scum and gummy goo off. [:D]

Certainly...these photos are after I put the head back on and I've taken them at an angle that shows the crud as best as possible. That was totally uncalled for of you to suggest that I was trying to misrepresent the condition of my engine. Anything I say or show in these forums is the truth as best I know it. I'm not here to fool anyone but to pass on anything I've learned and experienced. I don't try to fool anyone by being verbose but try to get any point across as simply and clearly as I can.

No, I haven't tried that West Australian castor because I simply have never seen it in any shops here in Adelaide. The only other oil I've ever tried is second generation Mobil Jet Oil II. Does that make me stubborn or an anachronism?

You were close with the trite Datsun 180B analogy...except mine happens to be a Datsun 2000 Sport (nee Fairlady) and it's a daily driver.



loughbd -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (3/21/2006 8:06:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: wcmorrison

I think Brian suffers from poor source of good degummed Castor oil. He has his opinion. Remember most of the fuel in Austrailia is home brew. When he speaks of using Cool Power he is talking about the oil not the Morgan Fuel you get in the states.

I did send a message to Gordon RE Brian Winch's diatribe against Castor oil. He is doing a disservice to US users.

Got a reply saying he got the message.

I no longer use fuel that is exclusively synthetic. If it does not have Castor, I add some. I use mostly 2C fuel anyway for both 2C and 4C engines.

Cheers,

Chip


Gordon Banks may have replied to you but I'll bet you a saito 45 he won't do or say anything about it.



loughbd -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (3/21/2006 8:14:21 AM)

It's balogna articles like Winche's that gets all the weird crap that shows up in these forums started. Heck I read in RCM years ago an article by a "battery expert" that said batteries give off acetelyne gas when they are charging. As a battery charging electrician for 25 years in the submarine Navy who was responsible for maintaining the HYDROGEN detectors, I thought I had a pretty good handle on what happens when a battery is charged. I took him to task and was told in no uncertain terms that HE was an expert and I didn't know what I was talking about. Never read anything he wrote again.



Jim Thomerson -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (3/21/2006 4:29:13 PM)

One small point. If you want to sell me your used engine, you will have better success if there is some castor crud on it. [;)]



dadamisin -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (3/21/2006 10:50:19 PM)

RATZ!!!

When I get a used engine off ebay the first thing I do is crock-pot it to de-crud it all and make it look all clean and new again. The ones I resell look way better then when I got them!

Now I'll have to consider baking on some Bakers AA to enhance the sales value!




loughbd -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (4/10/2006 7:19:45 AM)

Here's a little something to ponder. I flew control line models in the late 50's and through the 60's. The ONLY oil used then was castor oil. I went in the Navy in 1966 and all my engines were put in boxes and shoved up into the attic with NO prep for storage by my folks. There were several Johnson Ball bearings, Super Tigre's and Foxes. I got them all out about ten years ago and NONE of them would turn over. The oil had gummed up and hardened. It was a pain getting them apart and cleaned up but NOT ONE of them had rusty bearings. Every bearing was still shiney and smooth after I got them cleaned up. If that screwball in RC Report was right, the inside of those engines should have been garbage. ZERO RUST in any of them, NONE. The oil coated them with a goo that kept moisture from them and the oil had no effect on them. These all have IRON pistons running in steel sleeves or cylinders.



Jimmbbo -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (4/10/2006 1:20:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ArCeeFlyer

I was curious if anybody had read the article called "The Great Castor Oil Conspiracy" written by Brian Winch in his column "The Oily Hand" in the February 2006 issue of R/C Report magazine. He talks about castor being corrosive and wonders why even high quality degummed low acidity castor is even used at all anymore with all the advancements in engine metallurgy and synthetic oil. He uses strictly synthetic blends in all his engines and says even after running many gallons (44 in one example) his engines still look virtually new inside. It was a very comprehensive article and got me thinking I should drop castor oil completely. I know castor still probably has better resistance against lean runs than synthetic, but just making sure the setting is always on the rich side, which is good practice always, seems worth the effort to eliminate any chance of corrosion, gumming, and varnishing. What do you think? Much ado about nothing or should it be taken seriously?


Hmm... Sounds like a solution in search of a problem...

Lessee.... we've been using castor oil in model engines for what... sixty or seventy years now, and this pinhead decides NOW that it's corrosive... HELLO!! [>:]

With no corroboration in all the well researched literature on the web re: castor and synthetic oils, IMO Mr Winch should take up writing gardening articles, or better yet just give up writing altogether and take a job as a WalMart greeter, which more correctly suits his ability.



RaceCity -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (4/10/2006 4:53:58 PM)

Three cheers for Jimmbbo....

(!!!!!!)



bentgear -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (4/10/2006 4:59:16 PM)

Dang Jimmbbo, no need to slam Walmart greeters that hard, most have been very nice and helpful every time I walk thru the door. [:D]

Ed M.



ArCeeFlyer -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (4/10/2006 7:17:36 PM)

Wow! My concerns were certainly thoroughly addressed. RCU is great. I will definitely go on using castor after reading all the input. And it's not just the opinions, it's also reading about everybody's experience with castor and everything I've read here really makes perfect sense. I also have never had problems with castor, as say all my flying friends, as well. I feel like we may have helped people that are less knowledgable about the product, like me, avoid being mislead. Thanks everyone.



Time Pilot -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (4/11/2006 1:57:49 AM)

Anyone know why Gordon Banks would keep Winch on if his advice is less than trustworthy?

Up until now, I've enjoyed RC Report and even though I fly electric, I like learning about IC engines....



Hobbsy -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (4/11/2006 3:16:53 AM)

A lot of us are wondering that same thing.



loughbd -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (4/11/2006 3:19:08 AM)

Gordon Banks is one opinionated guy. I have had several run ins with him since 1987 when he made the classic statement that the Japanese were trying to get the dollar to Yen ratio one to one. That would have made an OS 45 cost $17,500 which I said I really doubted the japanese wanted. He also made a few other cute remarks like that that I took him to task for.

If you have a subscription to RCR, NEVER EVER critisize or tell him he's wrong. He will cancel your subscription in a heartbeat. He has done it many times over the years.

Now that some one has critisized his new columnist Winch, Winch is there to stay.



Time Pilot -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (4/11/2006 4:56:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: loughbd

Gordon Banks is one opinionated guy.

If you have a subscription to RCR, NEVER EVER critisize or tell him he's wrong. He will cancel your subscription in a heartbeat. He has done it many times over the years.



I've seen him write about this in his editorials, but I haven't seen too many.

I suppose there's more than one way to cancel your subscription to RC/R!



ArCeeFlyer -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (4/11/2006 5:01:23 AM)

LOL. I love Seinfeld. I can just picture it, "NO SUBSCRIPTION FOR YOU!!!" [:D]


p.s. I thought the "Soup Nazi" of magazines remark was funny. You should have left it in there, I can't stand political correctness myself. [;)]



loughbd -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (4/11/2006 5:46:04 AM)

What was really funny was someone wrote to him saying that Fox discontinued a muffler after two years. He answered by saying that OS did the same thing and used the 40 R/C as an example. He owned one and could not get a muffler because OS discontinued them. I was reading that issue while working in Hobby Shack at the time. I turned around, took an OS 704 muffler off the spinner rack and mailed it to him. He hemmed and hawed and renewed my subscription for a year.



Jimmbbo -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (4/11/2006 5:46:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bentgear

Dang Jimmbbo, no need to slam Walmart greeters that hard, most have been very nice and helpful every time I walk thru the door. [:D]

Ed M.


Ed,

Oops, my bad.... I humbly apologize for any offense to the corps of hard working Wal Mart greeters... Bad Modeler!! :D

Upon further reflection, Mr. Winch probably doesn't have the common sense so often exhibited by our friends at the Wal Mart entrance... ;)

Cheers!

Jim



Stripes -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (4/11/2006 1:13:45 PM)

Quit beating on Winch. He is more interesting to read than other writers for the magazines.



loughbd -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (4/11/2006 6:46:26 PM)

Beating on him??? It's because of guys like him that engine repair guys like me are in business. I can count on replacing more rusty bearings now because new guys and "others" will believe what he wrote and quit using castor oil lubricant. The hobby (not sport) has enough false info floating around without him adding to it.



Time Pilot -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (4/12/2006 12:37:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ArCeeFlyer

LOL. I love Seinfeld. I can just picture it, "NO SUBSCRIPTION FOR YOU!!!" [:D]


p.s. I thought the "Soup Nazi" of magazines remark was funny. You should have left it in there, I can't stand political correctness myself. [;)]


I was afraid that Gordon would hunt me down and cancel my subscription! [sm=disappointed.gif]



ArCeeFlyer -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (4/12/2006 12:41:40 AM)

What's really funny is if he really does do that, he's just cutting off his own nose to spite his face. I would think one opinionated subscribers money is as good as the next guys. I don't subscribe, so I don't have the fear. LOL



FrancisPerson -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (4/14/2006 6:50:34 PM)

What is the difference between castor oil and beanoil ?



RaceCity -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (4/14/2006 7:16:02 PM)

No difference. Castor oil comes from the castor bean, hence the nickname "Bean Oil".

Klotz labels their castor "BeNol" as sort of a play on this.

Castor...Bean Oil...BeNol...it all comes from the same little poor innocent bean.



downunder -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (4/15/2006 4:39:21 AM)

The other brand with a play on the words is Castrol....CASToR OiL...they had their beginnings about 100 years ago producing castor oil for cars and then planes.



FlyNBHappy -> RE: Article about Castor Oil in R/C Report (4/15/2006 2:13:04 PM)

I also read RCR and was confused by what Mr. Winch had to say. Been using castor oil in all my 2-stroke and 4-stroke with no side effects as Mr. Winch wrote. I homebrew with 0-5% nitro, Coolpower go-Kart oil (gold with castor) at 20%, and the rest methanol. Haven't seen rusted bearings in my 30+ engines......even with several batches of 20% Bakers AA castor.

Even though Mr. Winch's opinions are different then ours, I too enjoy reading his articles.



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