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RE: WACO YMF - 11/21/2012 10:54 PM

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...This will allow me to start working with putty to give a final surface.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2012 11:09 AM

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HAPPY THANKSGIVING !!

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2012 1:19 PM

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Brotherhood, HAPPY TURKEYBIRD DAY TO ALL AND YOUR FAMLIES!!

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2012 3:18 PM

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Happy Thanksgiving to all and your Families!!!!

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2012 5:02 PM

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Happy Thanksgiving All

I suppose I should finally join the Waco Brotherhood. I'm taking delivery of a 1/4 Barth Waco thiss weekend. I plan to put an Evolution 77 radial in it. I already have one so I can see how it fits before ordering another.

I had the Pica 1/5 for years and sold it this past spring. It was NIB, My wife got it for me for my Bday, its her FAV plane.

I told her to pic a color combo. Her choice was. Yellow with black or dark brown trim. ACK! Yellow is the worst color as far as coverage in my opinion. SO.. many years ago I took pictures of a Waco (enclosed cockpit UPF7 version) its Mac Truck Orange and brown trim, Beautiful! I'm thinking of using these same colors on the YMF 5, or similar at any rate. I think I'm going to use Randophs for the finish.

Comments, concerns, advice all welcome.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2012 5:17 PM

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Good luck, plan ahead, and enjoy.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2012 8:12 PM

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Happy Thanksgiving All

Yellow is the worst color as far as coverage in my opinion.

Comments, concerns, advice all welcome.

Yellow covers well. IF...you paint the plane white first...in fact makes most colours brighter.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/23/2012 1:57 AM

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Thank you Dave. I did know that. It's a matter of wanting to paint the plane twice so to speak lol..

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/23/2012 2:25 AM

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Happy Thanksgiving All

Yellow is the worst color as far as coverage in my opinion.

Comments, concerns, advice all welcome.

Yellow covers well. IF...you paint the plane white first...in fact makes most colours brighter.

Cheers,
Dave.
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I have always used white primer. When you have everything filled, sanded smooth and ready to paint. That's it. The white primer can even be your white with a clear coat. I've done that many times.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/23/2012 3:35 AM

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Dash thats a thought, white primer. FYI My daughter lives in Va Beach. I'm thinking of relocating in Smithfield, Suffolk etc. No need to work now so we can leave No. Va. and its traffic.

Who do you fly with? I know some of the TWRC guys. Thank you.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/23/2012 11:39 PM

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Dash thats a thought, white primer. FYI My daughter lives in Va Beach. I'm thinking of relocating in Smithfield, Suffolk etc. No need to work now so we can leave No. Va. and its traffic.

Who do you fly with? I know some of the TWRC guys. Thank you.

I live in Smithfield, and fly with Hamjpton Roads Radio Control club in Suffolk. Our field is only about 15 minutes or less from here, and it's one of the best bunch of guys you will ever want to meet. Keep me informed.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/24/2012 12:28 AM

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Sure thing Joe. I need to do some house hunting in that area etc. So probably things wont happen till after the first of the year.. or spring?

Thank you for the information!

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/24/2012 3:59 AM

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Hope every one had a good Thanksgiving day I sure did

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/24/2012 4:05 AM

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I'm still eating. Let you know when it's over.
Best regards as well.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/24/2012 10:28 AM

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NEW BROTHER ALERT !!!

We have a new Brother. Welcome to BobH, Brother #231. Hope you
have a blast with being a Brother Bob. Sorry about the wait. Haven't been
on in a couple of days.

Bill, Waco Brother #1

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/24/2012 3:22 PM

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Bill the wait was enjoyable lol. thank you for the welcome.

I'm a Waco lover for many years. A very good friend of mine has a 1929 Bird and a 1931 Fleet. Both in excellent shape. I get to hear those radials run any time I want...So cool!

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/24/2012 4:30 PM

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I guess its about time I added something to the forum. In going through the forum I came upon several setups that were installed in a Barth 1/3 scale model being built by BigBoy99, Bernie Brother #63, back in 2007. I have been looking for ways to set up the control systems to the rudder and elevator and have been working on a modified version of Bernie's to fit my 1/4 scale Barth kit.

I just finished the rudder/tail wheel pull-pull set up and wanted to share it with the brotherhood today. I'm doing these systems as experiments to see if they aer feesable in a 1/4 scale version. I' hoping my weight doesn't kill me, although if you read Bernie's blogs he said his was ok, all I can do is hope. Fotos to follow, they should speak for themselves. The origional build by BigBoy99 can be found in the Building Pics Waco YMF-5 Barth Modellbau section of the forun pages 9-12, cover the pull pull and tail feather build.

Sorry about the fuzzy fotos I guess its back to foto 101 again.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/24/2012 9:58 PM

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Do you think you are going to need all that throw for the rudder? Seems like a lot. Why not just come off the servo arm? It's only a 1/4 plane lots different from a 1/3.

I have the same plane, Barth 1/4 Waco. Well its on the way to me at any rate. I should have it the first of the week.

Here's something to consider: When taking off on a Tail dragger you want as little steering as possible. Many full scale planes have a Tail wheel lock for just that purpose. If you used another servo to steer the tail wheel you can reduce it to near Zero thow on take off. Helps keep the plane rolling straight on take off.

How do you like the kit so far? any tips etc with it?

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/24/2012 11:43 PM

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I'm in basic agreement with BobH on the tail wheel throw. I'm using a separate servo for the tail wheel on my Waco. You don't want a 1:1 ratio for the rudder and tailwheel. You do however want all the rudder authority that you can get.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/24/2012 11:51 PM

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Do you think you are going to need all that throw for the rudder? Seems like a lot. Why not just come off the servo arm? It's only a 1/4 plane lots different from a 1/3.

I have the same plane, Barth 1/4 Waco. Well its on the way to me at any rate. I should have it the first of the week.

Here's something to consider: When taking off on a Tail dragger you want as little steering as possible. Many full scale planes have a Tail wheel lock for just that purpose. If you used another servo to steer the tail wheel you can reduce it to near Zero thow on take off. Helps keep the plane rolling straight on take off.

How do you like the kit so far? any tips etc with it?

Bob, As far as how I like the kit its a super piece of work, everything is a tight fit as it should be. You may have to read between the lines with the instruction booklet, proceed slowly and you should have no trouble. Hows your German, my kit was packed tight with what looked like the Sunday edition of the New Your Times, nothing has a chance to slip around in transit.

Thanks, for the concerns, yes its a lot of throw, but as I said i'm experimenting. I will look into reducing the steerage on the tail wheel.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/24/2012 11:53 PM

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I did what BobH and Stickbuilder suggest. Maximum rudder with minimum tail wheel movement. Does make for great ground handling with rudder authority when airbirne.
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RE: WACO YMF - 11/25/2012 2:08 AM

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Dang guys I just hooked up my rudder and tail wheel to the same servo.

Welcome BobH to the brotherhood.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/25/2012 12:40 PM

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Bill, Robert, I see the point with the tail wheel movement, I'm going to reduce as much as I can and if not enough I'll go to an extre servo.

Rudder throw I do have and plenty of it, a good thing.

Dan, Sorry dude I didn't mean to destroy your day, and have you tear up your plane.-Murphy's Law-I guess..

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/25/2012 3:15 PM

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Hi Bob,

as far as the ruder is concerned you do need max. throw for the aerobatics. The throw should be from elevator to elevator. During take of it really depends if you have a grass field or hard covered landing strip. On grass you need only little to nothing to keep the ship straight during take off and landing. On tarmac you have to be very careful, you will certainly need your rudder but the throw should be very limited and careful otherwise your model will end up in a zick zack course and even worse leave the landing strip. As I said no problems on a grass field just open the throttle and up it goes (may be a bit of elevator).

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/25/2012 3:51 PM

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Peter, I fly off of grass and asphalt. That depends if I'm flying a jet or warbird. Danke for your thoughts.

Chris I really think the separate servo is the best way to go. Think if this, when you are taxiing you can use dual rates and have plenty of tail wheel throw. Before take off you flip the switch and have no tail wheel throw. Hold up elevator until the speed builds, relax elevator and the tail should rise. Then maybe a tad of up and your off.

My German, hmm I was stationed in Germany for 3 years a long time ago. I'm familar with the language but no way fluent. I will do my best to muddle through the build though lol!

Thank you all for the welcome.

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