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ORIGINAL: WacoNut

Chuck,
I do not use dope for filling the weave just atatching the fabric. When I thin the dope I use a good quality laquer thinner. If I were going to be using the dope for filling the weave and finish color with dope I would use the dope thinner to match the dope I am using.

I have not seen any ill effects from using laquer thinner to thin the dope for attaching the fabric. I had a tough time removing the fabric from my 33% Waco after the crash to access the damage.


As far as the Javelins on the flying wires go I have seen Waco's with the wires thru the javelin and secured by wrapped string coated with a sealer(dope?) and a couple that were actually secured with zip ties. I had mine secured with zip ties and on display at the Waco museum and a spectator made mention that my plane looked great but he thought the javelins just didn't look right with the zip ties holding them on. About a half hour later he came back and appologized for his comment as there were 2 Waco's parked that had zip ties holding the javelins on

I installed new flying wires the day before the crash and had the wires going thru the javelins. Will most likely do the same this time around.
Later!!
Anthony

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ORIGINAL: FMBB

Gents,

I do cut my Javelin so that the wire goes thru as shown on the picture of the NC 14081 and for adjusting the three halves I use clear silicon tubing which will be pushed fwd. and aft of every part to keep in place. If the dia of the tube is very close to the dia of the javelin the tube will stick to it but can be removed quite fast.

Peter
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ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder

If you modify your wing tip profile so that it is scale, you won't have as much trouble sheeting them. The profile is less pronounced. AMR got it wrong. I offered them a set of the factory drawings, but they refused to make the changes. If you build their kit as cut, it is wrong, and a decent outline judge will have your butt for it.

Bill, Waco Brother #1

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ORIGINAL: Dash7ATP

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ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder

If you modify your wing tip profile so that it is scale, you won't have as much trouble sheeting them. The profile is less pronounced. AMR got it wrong. I offered them a set of the factory drawings, but they refused to make the changes. If you build their kit as cut, it is wrong, and a decent outline judge will have your butt for it.

Bill, Waco Brother #1

Bill,

It seems that several of the well known Waco kits have a symetrical airfoil. It would be difficult to modify those to get a scale looking tip. How do you judge those?

Joe

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ORIGINAL: Dash7ATP

Bill,

It seems that several of the well known Waco kits have a symetrical airfoil. It would be difficult to modify those to get a scale looking tip. How do you judge those?

Joe

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ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder

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ORIGINAL: Dash7ATP

Bill,

It seems that several of the well known Waco kits have a symetrical airfoil. It would be difficult to modify those to get a scale looking tip. How do you judge those?

Joe

Joe, you did say difficult, not impossible. Put one with a symmetrical airfoil on my table, and I'll getcha. That is unless you can find an approved 3 view of a full scale with that airfoil. I don't use what I know to be correct, but stick strictly to the 3 view. That is the only fair and unbiased way to judge a model. Same goes for enlarged tail group or lengthened fuselage or cowl. It is either right or its dead wrong. You should see some the stuff that comes across the table. Sometimes you have to stop marking things so as not to totally humiliate the modeller.

Bill, Waco Brother #1

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ORIGINAL: Dash7ATP

Bill,

Thanks for elabirating on that.  It was pretty much as I expected it would have to be.  It seems a shame to bo to the trouble to build a large plane and trick it out with a lot of detail, knowing  full well it's not scale. Particularly if you plan to enter a big scale meet.  I have been told that BVM had a few small differences in the intake area on the early ducted fan F-86's and provided a Three View to match the changes.  Oh well.

I''m sure the flight judges have their differences as well. About eight years ago, I was CD for a local Scale meet. A local fellow brought an SNJ that he had entered in Top Gun.  Our judges gave him a low score for Realism of Flight because he flew the entire flight at full power. Way too fast for an SNJ. He was upset because he said, ''The Top Gun judges didn't deduct for that''. What can you say?

 I'm going to a lot of trouble detailing my Pica 1/5 scale, knowing beforehand I won't be entering it in anything other than a few fun flys.  Why? Because I enjoy it.  Heck, the color scheme I'm doing is on a Classic, which the Pica ''ain't'' .
But, it should look good!

Joe

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ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder

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ORIGINAL: Dash7ATP

Bill,

Thanks for elabirating on that.  It was pretty much as I expected it would have to be.  It seems a shame to bo to the trouble to build a large plane and trick it out with a lot of detail, knowing  full well it's not scale. Particularly if you plan to enter a big scale meet.  I have been told that BVM had a few small differences in the intake area on the early ducted fan F-86's and provided a Three View to match the changes.  Oh well.

I''m sure the flight judges have their differences as well. About eight years ago, I was CD for a local Scale meet. A local fellow brought an SNJ that he had entered in Top Gun.  Our judges gave him a low score for Realism of Flight because he flew the entire flight at full power. Way too fast for an SNJ. He was upset because he said, ''The Top Gun judges didn't deduct for that''. What can you say?

 I'm going to a lot of trouble detailing my Pica 1/5 scale, knowing beforehand I won't be entering it in anything other than a few fun flys.  Why? Because I enjoy it.  Heck, the color scheme I'm doing is on a Classic, which the Pica ''ain't'' .
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Joe

I can't comment on his flight scores since I'm not a flight judge. I am the scale outline judge for both Team Scale and Unlimited classes. I'm the one who uses the 3 views to establish how well the model compares to the 3 view as well as photo documentation. I do check for the validation on the 3 views and to ensure that it is an approved version. If there is any question about the validity of the 3 view, then the Chief Judge and Frank will make the decision. This is after all an invitational event, and it does belong to Frank.

I have noticed models flying outside of the scale envelope, both in regard to speed and possible maneuvers. I have commented on both. Nothing looks worse than a Cub keeping up with a war bird. The problem is that most pilots of RC aircraft use the, Yank and Bank method of flying. WFO and manhandle the sticks. To most of them the left stick is only for the throttle as well. Its probably a good thing that I'm not a flight judge. Scores would reflect what I see.

Back to the outline judging, I often see a model like the F97 and the Nose gear angle is nearly always wrong, as is the intake hole. I gig them for that one and it seems that they expect it, rather than correcting the issue. I have only seen 3 models in all my years of judging that had the outline on the money. The first one was a Tupelov Bear that was kind of small for a Top Gun entry, and used contra rotating props. The second one was the F-16 of Graeme Mears in the Thunderbird Livery. The last one was the Sopwith Camel of Marvin Ebersfeld. I judged Marvin's Camel for several years, each time marking carefully what I found outside the scale outline. Each time, Marvin would take the model home and make corrections. The next year his score would improve. The last time his model came on my table, he had accomplished a difficult task. A World War I model that was without exception a perfect rendition of the full scale. This model belongs in an aviation museum. You really do need to see it. This is what judging is for. It enables someone who wants to better the model to achieve perfection. You must be willing to make changes though. I normally see the same model for 3 years. Most builders do not make any changes, and then want to know why I keep hitting the same things. I've been asked if I keep notes on what was wrong with the model. My answer, is, No, I just look at their 3 view the same way each year, and don't see any changes to the model.

I have been accused of being the toughest judge on the circuit, but have always been told that I'm the most fair judge on the circuit as well. I am great friends with most of the builders who's models I judge. I don't care who built the model, and when its on the table, I only look at the way it follows the documentation. I've given some of my best friends low scores, and I've also given them high scores. That's why we can all remain friends. No one gets away with anything.

Bill, Waco Brother #1