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RE: WACO YMF - 4/15/2007 8:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Last coat? That sounds pretty final. Kind of like, "I'm going to fly this one one last time", and usually the prophecy is correct.

Hope you don't find any pin holes (I ususlly do) and I want to see it with the first coat of primer. Don't try doing something dumb and dry fitting the wings with a fresh coat of primer. I had to rework the center section of the bottom wing after trying that.

Did you add any pads for attaching the flying wires at the fuse bottom?

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RE: WACO YMF - 4/16/2007 12:06 AM   
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I was nuts long before the "Shiney Airplane" thing came up...Shiney is in the eye of the beholder... and a five year old at that! I've had non-shiney airplanes all my Doggie life, and until a certain Master Chief posted a picture of a Tink piloted Shiney red and gold WACO on Christmas eve, it would still be a non-issue. Little kids are great... can't tell you how many times since Christmas my Li'ln has asked me about the Shiney Tinkerbell plane... memory like a steel trap I tell ya.

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RE: WACO YMF - 4/16/2007 12:25 AM   
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Did you add any pads for attaching the flying wires at the fuse bottom?



Jahwol, Herr Master Chief. I almost forgot, and was getting ready to prime the fuse, but the little black "x's" I had made in the respective locations reminded me. There are two on top of the fuse for the intercabane wires, and two on the lower fuse, just above the gear legs, for the forward flying wires. I used male electrical spade terminals and screwed them in place with a #2 button head screw. I previously put hardwood blocks under the balsa skin to make hard points for them and also did that to the wing locations.

The spades have a sleeve for the wire that is perfect for the elastic cord I will use for wires. I just thread the cord through the sleeve, tie a knot and pull it back into the sleeve to conceal the knot, and apply a drop of Ca. The other end, that attaches to the underside of the top wing, will have a fitting that allows me to disconnect the "wires" if I need to remove the wings. When I mount them, I'll make pics and further describe them.

I was at the workshop of one of my clubmates yesterday, and he showed me how well Rustoleum Clean Metal Primer fills the weave of Koverall when brushed on with a foam brush. I still believe in dope for this, but I will brush on the first coat of primer, and then do a light spray coat to even out any streaked spots and eliminate brush strokes that remain. I am using this primer anyway, I'll just change the manner I was going to use it.

The other thing I've done today is figure out how to mount the front windscreen so it would be solidly mounted, but still allow easy removal. I glued a couple of short lengths of aluminum tube to the inside of the windscreen frame, and used a couple of spade electrical terminals (anybody notice a pattern here? ) to make brackets at the bottom of the screen. I drilled two holes in the fuse, forward of the front 'pit, and with the windscreen in place inserted a piece of piano wire down through each small tube, into the fuse (there is a former there that the wires also pass through, establishing the angle of the windscreen). These wires hold the screen against prop blast and airstream. The two brackets will have a #2 buttonhead screw that keeps the screen from sliding up the wires. All I have to do to remove the screen is take out the screws and pull out the wires. you hardly notice these when its mounted.

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RE: WACO YMF - 4/16/2007 4:46 AM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 4/16/2007 4:47 AM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 4/16/2007 5:10 AM   
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You about ready to retire to Sunny Florida????? We could get into a lot of trouble down here.

Nightstalker...Your 5 year old is right. She knows a shiny airplane when she see's one. I'll give her another look at it.

I've got lots more pictures if you would like to see some....

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RE: WACO YMF - 4/16/2007 6:28 AM   
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You about ready to retire to Sunny Florida????? We could get into a lot of trouble down here.



I've BEEN ready to retire, and I have enough trouble staying OUT of trouble up here. All I need is to get thrown in the brig with a sailor. Well, at least you could introduce me around .

I primed the fuse tonite, brushed a coat on like my friend showed me, but I think a couple of sprayed coats would give me the same result, plus not have any brush marks at all. I'll do the rest of the plane like I had planned. I had just a few pinholes, surprisingly; not as many as on my last Koverall project. The Rustoleum primer flows nicely, and evens itself better than some primers I've used. The foam brush is nice, you can "dab" with the tip better than with a brush.

That WACO is gorgeous, Master Chief. Post all the pics you want.

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RE: WACO YMF - 4/16/2007 7:29 AM   
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As promised I got to the airport today and in a private hanger a cabin WACO was being restored with the Jacobs L-4 in an engine hoist. I got about 30 pictures, front, back, side and close up. Here are a couple to tease. I post some more later.

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RE: WACO YMF - 4/16/2007 7:43 AM   
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Got some pictures and info for you also, close ups of fasteners. Picture one is the screws (sloted, not philips) at the front of the door, picture 2, with the Dsuz Fastener, is near the forward cabne strut, both on UBF-2 NC 2091K. Picture 3 shows the cowl fastener on the right front, Picture 4 is a close up, both are from UBF-2 N 155Y. All the sheet metal needs to be removed for inspection, so lots and lots of screws, both front and rear.

The ID Plate is not located on the out side of any WACO, according to the mechanic. They were located in various places on different WACOs. On the UBF, they were located on the front panel (instrument) on the left side.

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RE: WACO YMF - 4/16/2007 5:42 PM   
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Those are some great shots of the Jacobs L-4!!! Keep 'em coming.

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RE: WACO YMF - 4/16/2007 6:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know how successful that I will be, but I want to try and replicate the Jacobs L-4 for mine. If I can find a cylinder that closely approximates the Jacobs, I will have higher hopes of being successful. The 7 cylinders that I have found are wrong for this plane. I'll keep looking, but right now, it looks as if I need to make one to have the correct appearance.

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RE: WACO YMF - 4/16/2007 6:50 PM   
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After a little sorting and editing (cropping and straightening) here are the Jacobs L-4 pictures. This is from a Cabine WACO being restored (it was in the bare bones, so no model type) in an unrestored condition, so it shows all the oil leaks, paint chips, rust and other signs of use. Restored, all that character will be removed and the engine will look like new (see previous post of a Contenental in a UBF).

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1 Overall shot
2 Straight down on # 2 Cylinder
3 Front upper # 1 Cylinder
4 Front at plug # 1
5 Front of Crankcase
6 Base of # 1
7 ¾ view Exhaust side
8 Top view both Rocker Arms


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RE: WACO YMF - 4/16/2007 6:57 PM   
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9 ¾ view Intake side
10 Data Plate
11 Intake front
12 Intake ¾ side (opps, its the last picture now)
13 Crankcase rear Starboard
14 Exhaust connection
15 Intake connection
16 Exhaust termination


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RE: WACO YMF - 4/16/2007 7:15 PM   
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17 Crankcase rear Port c.u.
18 Crankcase rear
19 Rocker Cover (cylinder # 1 intake was blank, all the rest had Jacobs on them)
20 Intake Rocker
21 Exhaust Rocker
22 Top of Baffle Plate
23 Crankcase rear Port side


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RE: WACO YMF - 4/16/2007 9:34 PM   
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Thanks for the pictures.

I just got off the phone with Jackie Schalberg (Archivist at AMA Museum Plans Service). She told me that they do, in fact, have the parts templates in hand, and that she was going over to see when we might expect to see them available through the plans service.

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RE: WACO YMF - 4/17/2007 1:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		John, that data plate on the Jake says "Air Force Model xxxxxxxxx "(can't read it) underneath where it says Jacobs Aircraft Engine. Reckon it's one of the impressed models?

Man what a great set of photos. The Master Chief can put his signature line to work on that:

"Glue all the pieces together and sand off everything that doesn't look like a Jacobs engine."

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RE: WACO YMF - 4/17/2007 2:37 AM   
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The Williams Bros Wasp Cylinder is very similar to the Jacobs cylinder from the front with similar extra cooling fins on the exhaust rocker tower, fins on the lower section. A little work on the rocker covers, your own crankcase for 7 cylinders, a little paint and weathering and I believe you would have a reasonable Jacobs L-4 for your bird. In looking at the data plate a little closer, this may be a 245 hp engine and not a 225 hp (Engine Spec L 245).

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The data plate was hard to read in person, even with my glasses. I see where the flash caused the oil sump plug to put a shadow over the last part of the words "Air Force Model...). It was partially hidden behind the intake and only a little bit off the floor (engine was resting on the lower 2 cyliders). If the owner had been available, I would have asked to raise the engine for a better shot, but I suspect he was in the office at the local EAA monthly meeting/lunch or visiting with another owner in another hanger. When (big question) they start restoring the engine, I will try to get a better picture. The pictures are of the aircraft (a Cabin WACO)in its current state, so the engine restoration may be awhile.

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RE: WACO YMF - 4/17/2007 3:30 AM   
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Here is a comparison of # 1 Cylinder of the real Jacobs and a shot of Williams Bros. P&W Wasp cylinder. If you use those, you could save yourself a ton of work. The last picture is of a P&W model, 14" in diameter that shows the 2 tone cylinders better.

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RE: WACO YMF - 4/17/2007 5:05 AM   
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Your detail is just amazing! I like the idea of the electrical connectors for your flying wires. I made small hooks that I CA'd into the fuselage, then made small loops in the elastic wrapped with thread and CA. All I have to do is hook the elastic in the hooks, fast and easy field setup and on the Stearman ARF, it looks pretty good.
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Congrats on the "Judgeship" I'm confident you will do an excellent job.
Do not have any recent photos, we had nice weather this weekend and I made it to the field both days!

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RE: WACO YMF - 4/18/2007 1:00 AM   
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Your detail is just amazing! I like the idea of the electrical connectors for your flying wires. I made small hooks that I CA'd into the fuselage, then made small loops in the elastic wrapped with thread and CA. All I have to do is hook the elastic in the hooks, fast and easy field setup and on the Stearman ARF, it looks pretty good.



Thanks, much Jim. Coming from one of the Brothers, that's high praise indeed. I have been racking my brain trying to come up with some kind of "quick release" for the other ends of the wires. It was always some kinds of hook and hook type thing, where I had a hook on the wire and one on the wing. Stupid me, I never thought of just making a loop on the elastic itself. I couldn't see the forest for the trees What I will probably use for the hardware end are small hooks (like brassiere clasps) screwed into the top wing underside, and the elastic tension will easily hold it in place. It will be a much easier and less obtrusive method like you've done; thanks much for passing it along.

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RE: WACO YMF - 4/18/2007 2:38 AM   
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This thread has been a huge help to me so if this small idea is helpful I am glad to share. I have posted a couple of photos if anyone has an interest, I am sure this can be improved on.

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I will announce in this thread how to purchase these shirts in the coming month. I'll make it easy for you to obtain these 100% Cotton Hane's BEEFY-T shirts. This is an original design by myself and a close friend who is a professional graphic designer. This is a non-profit venture intended for the WACO Brotherhood to enjoy and for anyone else starved for neat Aeroplane themed sportswear. Hope you all like it! Stay tuned. Thanks for your comments STICKBUILDER.

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RE: WACO YMF - 4/18/2007 3:01 AM   
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In those immortal words "Whatca talkin' 'bout Willis?" you do a very nice job yourself on detail and finish. Attached is a Stearman, similar to yours, getting a little maintenance at CCA.

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RE: WACO YMF - 4/18/2007 3:05 AM   
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That is one nice design, one of the best I have seen for WACOs. Let us know when Pay Pal is set up and put me down for 2 -XL.

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