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RE: WACO YMF - 6/30/2007 10:31 AM   
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May I be enlisted in this club?
I got a 1/5 Pica Waco from a garage sale, this airplane either took a hard landing on the r/h main or something was dropped on it. I have repaired all the damage there was, and want to modify it to a UMF-3 and paint it as the ones from the Cuban Navy.
Has any one built a UMF before? it appears to me from looking at pictures that the edge, or rim of the cockpit of the UMF is higher than on the YMF. also what is the distrance from the forward edge of the opening on the aft cockpit to the aft edge of the forward cockpit and what is the lenght and width of the forward cockpit.
Also I need to know the length of tne interplane N struts as I don't have them or the aileron push rods.
Any help will be greatly apreciated, differences between the two models.

gracias much.

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RE: WACO YMF - 6/30/2007 11:51 AM   
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Received my Tee shirt today, over the moon with the quality and the artwork, now I need to go to a meet' and show off.

I cannot thank you enough for all the work involved in getting these shirts to ALL of us, even those of us from outside the bounds of the USA.

While I am at it, thanks to all those whose efforts have contributed to making this thread a high point of the day.




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RE: WACO YMF - 6/30/2007 4:22 PM   
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Okay, Here is the roster to date.

WACO BROTHERHOOD MEMBERSHIP:

#1 stickbuilder
#2 Hughes500
#3 Jim Henley
#4 mmattockx
#5 CTflyboy
#6 michaelj2k
#7 Ronj10
#8 gwulle
#9 jim schroer
#10 Skinny Bob
#11 Bart5495
#12 Pimmnz
#13 HarryJ
No. 14 Old Git
#15 ChrisMH
#16 Nerevar
#17 Ricatic
#18 Clay H.
#19 Tripp2Loo
#20 KHodges
#21 Bill Hogue (WACO One)
#22 Mangolo (Waldo)
#23 av8ter
#24 yel914
#25 damifino
#26 skylarkmk1
#27 Jacque
#28 Edwin
#29 AROPLANE
#30 CubNut (Anthony)
#31 BQuartucy (Bob Q)
#32 AERORON
#33 funkymusic
#34 RCOutlaw
#35 obo (Bob)
#36 Jackk36 (Jack)
#37 fatherrooster (Jim)
#38 Ilikebipes
#39 Kestrel0222
#40 CROWMAN17 (Marc)
#41 redcesar
#42 S. Christensen (Scott)
#43 Bill Deidrich
#44 Mike Barbee
#45 mrdhud (Dan Hudson)
#46 SoCalSal
#47 Todd (NightStalker)
#48 argon (Bob Gonzalez)
#49 mango 12 (Scott)
#50 skyjet 1
#51 ZIG
#52 Didg
#53 MarvinE255 (DOC)
#54 Joe Norris (Full Scale WACO Pilot)
#55 vasek
#56 SuperCub Man (Jim)
#57 Black Drape (Ron)
#58 aminiet (Angel Minet)
#59 Snowball
#60 doc zinger
#61 jagnweiner (Scott)

#64 stifts (Steve)


#66 Mobyal

#69 trlambsr

#77 tomcraig


#100 nine o nine (Mitch Epstein)



WACO Sisterhood Roster:

S-1 Janelle (Lady Stickbuilder)
S-2 Sissy Nightstalker
S-3 Barb Barbee
S-4 LadyMango (Lynda)


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RE: WACO YMF - 6/30/2007 4:24 PM   
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I don't know what has happened to the thread, What was on one page is now on another. Here is the current roster (I think)

Welcome to Angel and Ron.

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RE: WACO YMF - 6/30/2007 6:30 PM   
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Welcome aboard.

The main visual difference between a UMF and the YMF is the engine which required different "Bump" cowls;
UMFs have a Continental engine with paired bumps.
YMFs have a Jacobs engine with evenly spaced bumps.

I don’t believe there is any structural difference in the fuselage (cockpit area) between the UMF and YMF. The outline for the forward cockpit is shown on the plans. See the House of Moy site (http://www.houseofmoy.com/waco/) for PDFs of the plans. I think the vertical fin and rudder were enlarged between the -3 and -5. Looking at the pictures in the NWC album there appear to be slight differences in rudder shape (bottom radius of rudder) between individual planes.

On the Cuban Navy UMF-3, #26, shown on the National Waco Club site, pictures 63 thru 67 of the F3F5 album (http://www.nationalwacoclub.com/f3f5album/index3.html), the UMFs pictured have the smooth cowl with a slight taper to the rear.
Looking at picture #66 (3 flying in formation) there appears to be a different color on the top wing, possibly yellow. The cowl color is unknown, possibly Red or Blue.

Claude McCullough found, during research for his Top Gun entry of his Cuban Army WACO S3HD-A, #23; the wings, horizontal tail, cowl and spats were Chrome Yellow, the fuselage, fin, all struts and fillets were Aluminum. How well this color scheme fits the Cuban Navy Wacos is unknown.


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RE: WACO YMF - 6/30/2007 10:41 PM   
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Thank you for welcoming me into the group.
I had noticed the Cuban Navy UMF cowlings to have no blisters and I would think the wings upper surface colors to be lighter due to the sun fading them out.
The fuselage could also be white as if it was aluminum/silver I don't think it would show so white on the pictures.
I had a conversation with Mr. Mc Cullough regarding his outstanding plane, I may do that one on the 1/4 scale ( if my wife don't kill me first ) but I want to finish this one first, I will try to contact the person in Cuba he got his information from, as it turns out he is a friend of a friend of mine. Also Mr. Dan Hagedorn, curator at the Smithsonian is supposed to be an expert on latin american aviation, He may know.
Does any one know if there a UMF at a museum?

Thanks.

Angel

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RE: WACO YMF - 7/1/2007 12:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Welcome Angel and Ron. You have joined the best forum on RCU. There is a mind boggleing amount of info, pics, tips etc. posted by a great bunch of guy's that will help with any question you might have.


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RE: WACO YMF - 7/1/2007 12:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are very welcome Old Git. Now to 'git' you over here for some sightseeing. There is a fellow 45 minutes from here who has recreated, from original plans, molds and castings, a Ford GT-40. I saw it a few years ago and you should see it. Pleasure to help keep you entertained. Damifino

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RE: WACO YMF - 7/1/2007 5:24 AM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 7/1/2007 5:25 AM   
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Jay, I received shirts Friday. Thanks they are great.

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RE: WACO YMF - 7/1/2007 7:17 AM   
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According to the FAA, there are only 6 UMFs on the registry. Since the Aerofiles indicate only 18 were made and 7 exported, that's pretty good. There are 3 in Ohio, which would be the closest to you.

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RE: WACO YMF - 7/2/2007 12:04 AM   
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Here are a couple more shots of the tail wheel.
P-1 – Close up of the top rear shock mount, spring is for the tail wheel lock.
P-2 – Close up of the top front mount, part with spring is the tail wheel lock.
P-3 – Picture of the Tail Wheel tube fork from the front, wheel hub profile can be seen.
P-4 – Picture of the Tail Wheel tube fork from the rear.
P-5 – Picture of the Tail Wheel tube fork from the side. Pivot point and lower shock mount can also be seen.


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RE: WACO YMF - 7/2/2007 3:48 PM   
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Let's all welcome Snowball as Brother #59. He and Jim (SuperCubMan) are building another 1/5th scale WACO. The more, the merrier.

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RE: WACO YMF - 7/2/2007 4:00 PM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 7/2/2007 5:22 PM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 7/2/2007 5:30 PM   
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Count me in for 2.

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RE: WACO YMF - 7/2/2007 7:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder

Guys,

I don't know what has happened to the thread, What was on one page is now on another. Here is the current roster (I think)

Welcome to Angel and Ron.

Bill, AMa 4720
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I was reading this thread last week and noticed that in a span of a couple hours the pages jumped up from the 120's to the 140's. Seemed weird so I went back a few pages expecting either a TON of new pics... or a flurry of discussion. Wasn't the case. I'm guessing that whoever controls the thread page content / volume reduced the amount of posts per page for whatever reason. Which kinda sucks because I have saved a lot of pictures for future reference with the page number as part of the file discription. So if I go back to the page in the picture description to read anything related to the picture, it aint on that page. It jumped up about 25 pages or so.

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RE: WACO YMF - 7/2/2007 7:47 PM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 7/2/2007 8:39 PM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 7/2/2007 11:26 PM   
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I normally refresh the roster every 10 pages. I was expecting to update it at page 110, but it was already at page 149 when I looked. I have no idea what occurred, other than they changed the number of posts per page.

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RE: WACO YMF - 7/2/2007 11:27 PM   
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Are you looking at how many already want the new shirts?

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RE: WACO YMF - 7/2/2007 11:30 PM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 7/2/2007 11:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		What is the price for the Tee's with shipping to zip 77396.
And who do I send a check to?

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RE: WACO YMF - 7/3/2007 1:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		I appreciate the positive comments and am happy you all like them. I have five XXLarge tees left. I have a lot of summertime things to do including a vacation coming up soon, so, I'm thinking another run of shirts will happen sometime around the first of September. We also plan on getting a design set up for embroidered items like hats, jackets, polo shirts etc. It will take time and I will keep everyone posted right here.


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RE: WACO YMF - 7/3/2007 3:03 AM   
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Mary-Ellen and I will take 2, t-Shirts if this takes off !

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